Le ultime due puntate, con epilogo finale.
La risposta alla mia penultima mail:
On 8 October 2011 14:37, Mattia Vichi <ilpavone2004@libero.it> wrote:
Dear Jim,
Citazione dalla mia mail precedente:
"What i really don't get from your answer is: how could be possible that even if the screens are the same, calibrated (even if i read that some screeners might use not calibrated screen for screening), a photo checked by a pool of 3 screener or more, can become overshapened and blurry without editing it? I still don't understand this point."
Hi Mattia,
How it works is that bad pictures are immediately rejected, the very, very best photos are immediately accepted. Most photos need to be judged by a group of Screeners (usually up to three). Although the Screeners are very close in their judgements, there is always slight variation because they are humans and assessing photo quality is a subjective thing, rather than something you can put a definite number on and say that is a pass number. This is why there are usually three Screeners involved, to make sure the judgement is even and fair and differences in one Screener to another are balanced out.
I think the problem with the photo you mention is that parts of the photo are sharp enough and other parts are soft. If the Screeners think the softness is something that can be fixed, they tend to use the term SOFT. If they think it is unlikely it can be fixed they use the term BLURRY.
If you look at some areas such as the Hungarian Airlines / Malev logo, that sharpness looks ok, but there is a white line under Malev that indicates oversharpening. But if you look at some other areas, like the detail on the leading edge or the frame for the door, these look a bit soft. So parts of the aircraft are ok and others not quite good enough. At least that is how I would interpret the rejection if this was a photograph of mine that was rejected. Generally I think the photo is good, but with a few soft areas. If you raised the lighting, you might be able to make it look a bit sharper, but then you will lose the nice rainbow. It is a difficult one to fix I think.
I think they only really mention the dark / contrast in the first rejection, because the other issues might disappear after a re-edit. Sometimes you need to fix one thing at a time until the photo is right.
You could try posting in the Photogrphy Feedback forum for more advice:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/photography_feedback/
There are quite a few photographers there who have a good idea of what the Screeners are looking for and it is very helpful to hear what they have to say, because they are photographers and not Screeners. You know you will get a different viewpoint from the Screening team and sometimes that is more helpful. Maybe one will be able to edit it a different way that fixes the dark and blurry and keeps the rainbow? I think it is worth a try.
Best regards,
Jim
E la mia risposta finale, visto che si sta cercando di portare un problema generale sui problemi della mia foto:
Dear Jim,
so in the end we can say that screeners whatever they do they're always right while photographer whatever they do, they're always wrong (except for some photographers). Screener can be wrong, photographers can't. This is the final point. No critique is admitted because of this.
I have to admit that if airliners.net didn't have so many visitors each day, hence a bigger public for my photos, i'd have already deleted all.
The only thing that could make me re-think about my decision, is this one. For all the rest, i'm still for deleting all, cause there seems not to be a willing in improvement on both sides. (this is obviously what i think)
Furthermore, what you say here:
"Maybe one will be able to edit it a different way that fixes the dark and blurry and keeps the rainbow? I think it is worth a try."
This will result in photomanipulation and not photo editing. Anyways, this has already been tried by me, ending up that i didn't understand anymore what was OS and what wasn't. I still don't understand how it's possible to evaluate sharpness with a thumbnail, but there's seems to be someone that says that he/she is able to.
Anyway, our thoughts seems to be quite far from each other.
I keep my time in order to decide wheter or not to delete all.
Best regards,
Mattia
Da a.net sinceramente, a vedere da chi ci lavora, non mi aspetto più nulla da nessun punto di vista. Credo che siano stati colti un pò dalla mania di fare i capetti visto che hanno reggiunto delle dimensioni non indifferenti, ma cosi facendo perdono un pò di vista le loro origini. Mi piacerebbe ritrovare airliners tra qualche anno con la solita gente che mette su foto e nessun altro che se li fila...magari sarebbero in grado di capire.
Detto questo, come ho scritto nella mail, l'unica cosa che mi trattiene un pò è l'esposizione delle mie foto al pubblico, visto che airliners.net è molto frequentato. Per il resto, li lascerei volentieri al loro destino.
MI RITIRO PER DELIBERARE
