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La Boeing sembra stia preparando diversi scenari: una soluzione a breve termine da presentare nei prossimi giorni che prevederebbe una scatola di titanio che conterrebbe le fiamme nel caso di incendio delle batterie; una a piu' lungo termine che richiederebbe una riprogettazione dell'unita' elettrogena e che quindi richiederebbe una piu' lunga ricertificazione; e sembra ci sia anche un team che lavora su cosa fare nel caso in cui le batterie al litio vengano messe fuori legge.

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Boeing readies short-term battery fix, facing uncertainty
Boeing will propose to the FAA some short-term solutions to get its 787s flying while it redesigns the batteries for the long run.

By Dominic Gates/Seattle Times

Boeing will propose to regulators as early as this week a short-term fix to bolster the 787’s defenses in case of battery fires like those that have kept the jet grounded for the past month.

The goal is to get the planes flying passengers again, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the matter, while Boeing works on a comprehensive redesign of the lithium-ion battery system that could take nine months or more to implement.

The interim fix includes a heavy-duty titanium or steel containment box around the battery cells, and high-pressure evacuation tubes that, in the event of a battery fire, would vent any gases directly to the outside of the jet.

Boeing's approach implicitly acknowledges that four weeks after two batteries overheated — one catching fire on the ground, the other smoldering in flight — investigators have still not pinpointed the cause.

That leaves Boeing little option for now but to engineer a solution that will better contain any such incident and protect the airplane.

However, it’s unclear if the FAA is ready yet to accept containment of an overheated battery cell rather than prevention.

“We’re not there yet,” said a government official with knowledge of the ongoing discussions, who asked for anonymity. “It wouldn’t surprise me if we’re still talking weeks before everyone is comfortable.”

Even if the FAA agrees, the short-term fix will take at least three months to design, test, certify and retrofit, said an Everett source who knows details of Boeing’s proposed solutions.

That would mean the earliest the Dreamliners could fly passengers again would be May. If it’s much longer than that, assembly of the jets in Everett will probably have to be slowed and Boeing’s plan to ramp up production will be severely disrupted, he said.

“This cannot drag out for six to nine months ... from a financial standpoint. Think about nine months of airplanes just sitting there,” said the Everett source. “This is a gut-wrenching issue.”

Boeing will not disclose any details of the solutions it is working on.

But unlike Airbus, which this past week said it will switch to nickel cadmium main batteries for its forthcoming A350 jet to avoid the possibility of delays, Boeing insists it will stick with the high-energy lithium-ion batteries that provide emergency backup power for the 787.

“Boeing is confident in the safety and reliability of lithium-ion batteries,” said spokesman Marc Birtel, and “good progress is being made” in resolving the battery problem.

But aviation experts are increasingly worried.

Adam Pilarski of consulting firm Avitas warns that though Wall Street currently accepts Boeing’s optimism that the 787 grounding will be relatively short, this forgiving attitude may not last.

“Boeing is trying to play it down to some degree, hopeful the solution is just around the corner,” said Pilarski. “But it may take much longer. And it could have a significant financial impact.”

Ken Herbert, senior vice president with Los Angeles-based investment bank Imperial Capital, wrote in a note to investors Friday that, “there are still considerable concerns as to whether the FAA will sign off on a solution that contains a potential battery fire, rather than one that prevents a fire.

“The risk to Boeing and the supply chain as a result of the 787 grounding is increasing,” Herbert wrote. “We believe the grounding costs Boeing over $25 million a month in direct costs, and the total cost to Boeing could be over $1 billion.”

That will add to the 787’s one-time development costs, which financial analysts estimate have already cost Boeing somewhere between $15 billion and $20 billion.

In addition, before the grounding Boeing had built up more than $21 billion in undelivered 787 inventory. For now, it continues to build the airplanes at a rate of five per month, even though it cannot deliver them.

The 50 Dreamliners delivered previously are all grounded. Boeing has 800 more on firm order.

Top-level teams

Boeing’s proposed fixes are the result of intense, round-the-clock work by hundreds of engineers and technical experts in Everett and elsewhere.

According to Herbert, Boeing currently has approximately 90 engineers in Japan working on a complete redesign of the battery.

Boeing also appointed a top-level team from outside the 787 program, including non-Boeing battery experts, to provide clear-eyed analysis by people not wedded to previous approaches.

The initial redesign includes a fireproof battery box, made of titanium or steel, several sources said. That will seal the cells, keeping moisture out and flames in.

It also includes a venting system that will directly evacuate to the outside any vapor and liquid flowing from the battery.

In the two recent battery overheating incidents, flammable liquid and vapor sprayed out of the battery and across the electronics bay where the battery sits, before reaching an outflow valve.

Longer term, the battery box will be enlarged to provide more separation between the battery’s eight cells, several sources said.

That will help ensure that overheating of one cell doesn’t spread to others — a so-called “thermal runaway” that occurred in both recent incidents.

The battery control system will have sensors to monitor the temperature and voltage of each individual cell rather than the battery as a whole, one source said.

And the same source said engineers are also working on using an inert gas such as halon or nitrogen to expel the oxygen generated when a battery overheats.

Vince Battaglia, a battery scientist at the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab in California, said it is simply a matter of proper engineering to dissipate any excessive heat in a battery cell, vent any gases so it doesn’t explode, and prevent a cascade of overheating from cell to cell.

“Good engineers will know how to get the heat out of these cells,” Battaglia said. “If anyone knows how to do that, it’s Boeing.” He added that the original battery design was probably done by the Japanese manufacturer, GS Yuasa, not Boeing.

Boeing’s engineers have had to work on solutions to the battery challenge with a big handicap: They don’t know the precise cause of the two events that grounded the Dreamliner fleet.

Root cause uncertain

Forensic work by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) determined that the battery fire in early January on an empty 787 parked at Logan International Airport in Boston started with a short circuit inside one of the battery’s eight cells.

Battery experts caution that while the most likely culprit is a tiny metal shard contaminating the cell during the manufacturing process, the root cause may never be definitively proved because of destruction from the thermal runaway.

Brian Barnett, a battery specialist with Mass.-based technology development company TIAX who has closely studied lithium ion battery failures, said that in his lab’s experience, about half the time “you cannot reach solid conclusions” about the root cause.

Boeing must therefore assume that sometime in the future one of these battery cells will overheat again — and ensure that if that happens, it’s fully contained.

Pilarski of Avitas said that though the NTSB “would like to have 100 percent safety,” the FAA has to recognize that, “You cannot have 100 percent safety. You have to have compromises.”

The FAA accepts that, and certifies aircraft on the basis of minimizing known risks through multiple redundant safety features to leave an extremely low probability of any critical failure.

During 787 certification, the FAA imposed a “special condition” on the battery that demanded safe temperatures be maintained in any foreseeable circumstance that could arise more than once in 10 million flight hours.

But even if Boeing can demonstrate that its battery improvements reduce the chance of a catastrophic battery failure below that level, the FAA may still find it politically difficult to approve Boeing’s short-term fix.

In part, that’s because the flying public will be leery of containing rather than preventing an overheated battery.

“People will be afraid to fly something that smolders in the air,” Pilarski said. “Surprise, surprise.”

That leaves him doubtful that Boeing will easily persuade regulators to let the 787 return to service soon.

Polish national airline LOT on Thursday declared it’s not planning on having its 787s back in service before October. “I think even October is optimistic,” said Pilarski.

Increased pressure

Airbus’ decision, announced Friday, to abandon lithium ion batteries on its A350 jet increases the pressure on Boeing.

The European jet maker was driven by concern that future regulations stemming from the 787 problems might slow down its A350 development schedule.

But for Boeing, it’s not so easy to make such a switch to older technology batteries.

First, the timing is different. Airbus still has certification by European regulators ahead of it, but if Boeing were to switch now to nickel cadmium batteries that would trigger an automatic recertification process, ensuring a long grounding.

Secondly, as Teal Group aviation analyst Richard Aboulafia points out, the Airbus jet’s critical systems are more conventional — most of them powered by hydraulics or pneumatics, not electricity. To increase fuel efficiency, the 787 uses electricity for those systems, and so it requires a high-energy, quickly recharging backup power source.

“Boeing needs a faster response time,” said Aboulafia. “It needs lithium ion.”

Despite Boeing’s battery problems, TIAX’s Barnett said lithium ion technology is not inherently unsafe.

He pointed out that although nearly all U.S. cars use traditional lead-acid batteries, an average of 66,000 car fires a year are blamed on malfunctioning electrical systems.

“Nobody writes about it. It’s old news,” said Barnett. “This is a classic case of new technologies getting orders of magnitude more scrutiny than older technologies.”

Likewise, Lawrence Berkeley’s Battaglia said that, “Once they get the engineering right, it’s not going to be a problem.”

Whatever Boeing proposes to the FAA, the federal agency knows its decision will draw intense scrutiny from Congress, the media and the public.

The Everett source with knowledge of Boeing’s plans said the company has a separate team weighing what alternatives it may have.

“There is what they call a gray team that is looking at what happens if the FAA does not approve the redesign of the battery,” he said. “They’re looking at what else they’d need to do.”
 

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A Boeing team led by Commercial Airplanes president Ray Conner is set to present details of its proposed near-term solution to the 787 battery issues to the FAA later this week, possibly as early as Thursday.

According to airline sources, Conner will present details of the manufacturers’ revised battery system directly to FAA administrator Michael Herta in Washington D.C. If the plans are accepted then Boeing is understood to have provisional plans in place to begin flight testing the modified system immediately, and for fleet-wide retrofit action which would enable the first 787 to return to service as early as mid-March.

However given the high-profile nature of the battery probe, and the subsequent review of the FAA’s oversight in connection with the original certification of the 787, it is far from clear if the agency will even consider Boeing’s request until the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has completed its investigation. The NTSB, and its Japanese counterpart, the JTSB, are still evaluating the root cause of multiple battery failures in early January which prompted a world wide grounding of the 787 on Jan 16.

Boeing, which revealed additional details of the aircraft’s battery and related electrical system features on Feb 19, declines to comment on the upcoming appeal to the FAA or on reported details of the proposed interim battery modification. Without identifying specifics, Boeing says that details published last weekend in a local newspaper contain “significant errors and speculation.” The manufacturer adds it is “working tirelessly in cooperation with our customers and the appropriate regulatory and investigative authorities. Everyone is working to get to the answer as quickly as possible and good progress is being made.”

Boeing’s move, which is based on developing a sturdy containment system and additional sensors, comes as investigators from the JTSB reveal that two cells in the second battery of the All Nippon Airways 787 that made an emergency landing at Takamatsu Airport on Jan 16 were ‘swollen’. Although the emergency was prompted by problems with the main battery, which was badly damaged by burning electrolyte, the signs of apparent degradation were found in the auxiliary power unit battery located in the aft electrical/electronic equipment bay.

The JTSB says the APU battery was initially thought to be undamaged but said subsequent tomographic scans revealed evidence of slight swelling. Officials, however, say that the probe remains focused on the causes of the original failure in the main battery.

Airlines meanwhile continue to make contingency plans to cover for the continued grounding of the 787. United Airlines expects to see the aircraft remain out of service through March 30, while Air India expresses hope that the 787 will be back in operation by early April.
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La Boeing sembra stia preparando diversi scenari: una soluzione a breve termine da presentare nei prossimi giorni che prevederebbe una scatola di titanio che conterrebbe le fiamme nel caso di incendio delle batterie; una a piu' lungo termine che richiederebbe una riprogettazione dell'unita' elettrogena e che quindi richiederebbe una piu' lunga ricertificazione; e sembra ci sia anche un team che lavora su cosa fare nel caso in cui le batterie al litio vengano messe fuori legge.
Questa è mitica! Chissà se praticabile? Ovvero continuare a volare perchè l'incendio è chiuso in scatole di titanio!
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/b...-787-nears-approval.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

Boeing Plan to Test Fixes on 787 Nears Approval
By CHRISTOPHER DREW
Published: March 6, 2013

The Federal Aviation Administration is close to approving tests of Boeing’s approach to fixing the batteries on its 787 jets, and the tests could begin next week, federal and industry officials said Wednesday.

The F.A.A. could still demand changes in Boeing’s proposed new battery design if problems develop in the laboratory and flight tests, which will take several weeks. But the decision to start the tests will be a major step in Boeing’s efforts to get the innovative jets, which have been grounded since mid-January, back in the air.

The federal approvals are expected late this week or early next week, even though some battery specialists remain concerned that investigators have not found the precise cause of two incidents in which the jetliner’s new lithium-ion batteries emitted smoke or fire.

The National Transportation Safety Board has found that a short-circuit in one cell caused a battery in a jet parked at Logan Airport in Boston to overheat and burst into flame on Jan. 7. The board plans to release a preliminary report on that incident on Thursday.

But investigators in Japan have suggested that something else may have caused the battery on an All Nippon Airways 787 to emit smoke on a flight on Jan. 16. They said the battery may have been hit by a surge of electrical current from another part of the plane.

Donald R. Sadoway, a professor of materials chemistry at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said the Japanese data suggested that temperatures might have shot much higher in that battery than in the one on the plane in Boston. If that is true, he said, Boeing and the F.A.A. might need to add more steps to the safety plan to guard against such possibilities.

“I think the F.A.A. needs to have assurance that the proposed changes address the causes of the two incidents,” Professor Sadoway said. “That means that we need to have certainty as to what caused those incidents.”

Otherwise, he said, “we can make changes that sound like good changes, but if they fall short of addressing what caused those two incidents, they would be inadequate.”

The F.A.A.’s Seattle office on Wednesday was completing its recommendation to approve Boeing’s plan for the tests, which are needed to certify that its proposed fixes would work, federal officials said. The plan is still subject to approval by Michael P. Huerta, the head of the F.A.A., and Ray LaHood, the transportation secretary, who will be briefed on it over the next several days.

Mr. LaHood said in January that the planes “won’t fly until we’re 1,000 percent sure they are safe to fly.” Department officials said Mr. LaHood and Mr. Huerta had been kept informed of the details of the proposal as it was created, and they are expected to sign off on it.

Boeing officials said they think they have identified the most likely ways in which the batteries could fail. They contend that the changes would minimize the odds of future incidents and protect the plane and its passengers if a problem does arise.

Under the plan, Boeing proposed adding insulation among the eight cells in the battery to minimize the risk of a short-circuit cascading through most or all of them. The company also proposed adding systems to monitor the temperature and activity in each cell. It would enclose the batteries in sturdier steel boxes to contain any fire, and it would create tubes to vent hazardous gases outside the plane.

Aviation analysts said the plan would probably protect against the main problem that the safety board has identified, a short-circuit in one of the cells that can trigger a chemical reaction that leads the battery to overheat.

But the approval of the changes is also a highly political process, and Mr. Huerta and Mr. LaHood are trying to balance safety concerns with the interest at Boeing and in the airline industry to get the planes flying again.

Perceptions of the traveling public also loom large as Boeing tries to restore confidence in the 787s, known as the Dreamliners for their use of new technologies that reduce fuel costs by 20 percent.

To that end, Boeing has referred to its proposal as a permanent fix for the problems. But Hans J. Weber, the president of Tecop International, an aviation consulting firm, said: “You cannot call it a permanent fix until after you really understand what happened. So I’m distressed, quite frankly, that it provides a signal that they might not be working as diligently to still find out what caused the problems.”

Marc R. Birtel, a Boeing spokesman, said it called the plan a permanent fix because it “believes it is the right one.” But, he said, “if new information arises, we won’t hesitate to improve the safety and reliability of our products.”

Boeing has delivered 50 787s to eight airlines, and officials said it could install new batteries in them quickly once a new design was approved. The company has much at stake with the plane, which is the first commercial jet to be built mostly out of lightweight composite materials. Boeing has orders for 800 more of the planes.

The proposed changes are also, in effect, an acknowledgment by Boeing that its original plan for testing the batteries in 2007 was inadequate.

Deborah A. P. Hersman, the chairwoman of the safety board, said last month that Boeing’s original tests showed no indication the batteries could erupt in flame and concluded that they were likely to emit smoke less than once in every 10 million flight hours.

Once the planes were placed in service, though, the batteries overheated and emitted smoke twice, and caused one fire, after about 50,000 hours of commercial flights.

Raymond L. Conner, the president of Boeing’s commercial airplane division, said this week that industry and academic researchers had learned much since then about the volatile batteries. Other company officials said Boeing would also incorporate what it learned from the two recent incidents into its new tests.

The laboratory work will include tests that set off fires in the batteries to see how the new containment and venting systems work, while the flight tests will check to make sure that the plane’s vibrations do not bring the cells too close together.

Professor Sadoway, of M.I.T., said the temperatures in the battery on the plane in Japan shot high enough to melt aluminum connectors and ground wires, which could support the idea that an electrical surge had come from outside the battery.

He said Boeing might need to add a circuit-breaker outside the battery to prevent such surges or take a deeper look at how the plane’s novel electrical system is working.
 

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Boeing 787 Battery Fire Was Difficult to Control
By JOSHUA FREED and JOAN LOWY Associated Press
WASHINGTON March 8, 2013 (AP)

The smoking, hissing battery smoldering away inside the belly of the parked 787 in Boston had already injured one firefighter. The airport fire commander wanted it off that plane.

Six bolts held it fast. A quick-disconnect knob — just a quarter turn would pop the battery free — had melted away. Firefighters with gloved hands tried to turn the bolts with pliers, which is like trying to slice an onion with a rubber spatula while wearing oven mitts. The thing wasn't budging. A pry bar bent the battery's case but didn't move it.

They finally cut it loose with a battery-operated tool and, using straps, hauled the 63-pound, still-smoking battery about 50 feet from the aircraft.

The National Transportation Safety Board on Thursday released 547 pages of reports and supporting materials about its investigation of the Jan. 7 fire. The documents show firefighters struggling to tame a small but worrisome fire that has left investigators relieved that it happened after a flight and not during one.

Another smoldering battery nine days later in Japan prompted the grounding of 50 787s worldwide. Investigators still don't know the root cause.

Other than the firefighter's injury, neither incident hurt anyone. But fire is a major threat to any airplane's safety. Before the incidents, Boeing categorized flame from the 787 battery as "catastrophic," prompting it to build in extra safeguards designed to prevent a battery fire. It was thought that the only way the battery would burn would be if it was overcharged, according to one NTSB report, which cited Boeing's earlier testing.

Boeing estimated the likelihood of a smoke incident as one in every 10 million flight hours for the 787 fleet. In January there were two when the fleet had only 52,000 hours.

The new NTSB documents also showed:
—Boeing did some testing itself, but much of the testing on the 787's battery system was done by Thales of France, which made the 787's electrical system, and by battery maker GS Yuasa of Japan.
—The plane's air system, designed to vent smoke outside if there's a fire, didn't work because the plane had lost power when the fire started. Firefighters reported smoke all the way up in the cockpit at one point.
—A Japan Airlines mechanic who was the first to deal with the fire reported seeing 3-inch flames in two spots on the battery, but only smoke was seen by firefighters who arrived a minute later.

The NTSB's investigation continues and the agency plans two public hearings next month. Meanwhile, the Federal Aviation Administration is deciding whether to accept Boeing's plan to add more insulation and other improvements that would contain a fire. Boeing's plan would require testing and then FAA approval, and the 787 isn't expected to return to flying until April at the earliest.

The Jan. 7 flight from Tokyo had gone normally. First its 184 passengers, then the pilots got off the plane. Airplane cleaners came on board.

With just a handful of ground workers on the plane, the auxiliary power unit, which provides power on the ground, shut down. This got the attention of the cleaners and maintenance workers because all of the cabin lights and in-flight entertainment systems went dark. JAL mechanic Kazuyuki Sato prepared outside power lines in case the plane needed them for electricity.

Then a cleaner said she saw smoke by one of the plane's kitchens. Twelve seconds later, she and a worker in the cockpit left. Sato, moving toward the plane's electronics bay, radioed that he found heavy smoke there, and readied a fire extinguisher.

At the gate, someone called the fire department.

Sato saw flames from the battery and blasted it with the fire extinguisher. The compartment "was dark and very smoky," according to the NTSB's account of its interview with him. It was a "dangerous environment in the compartment" and he couldn't continuously point the extinguisher at the fire. Eventually, though, he emptied all 20 pounds of the extinguisher's contents onto the fire. The flame didn't stop.

The airport fire incident commander ordered every fire truck toward the JAL plane. It's not clear whether they knew all the passengers were off. Even if no one is in immediate danger, a $200 million smoldering airplane parked next to a busy airline terminal brings a speedy response from firefighters.

While four trucks raced toward the plane, Engine 3 was already nearby because of a medical call. A fire lieutenant inside the airport ran toward the gate where the JAL plane was parked, telling the fire truck's driver to head that way. Firefighters from Engine 3 grabbed a hose, climbed the stairs in the jetway and headed into the plane.

An airport fire commander called for additional help from Boston's fire department.

The first firefighter to enter the plane saw "a white glow about the size of a softball" through the smoke using his hand-held heat-imaging camera. He applied another type of fire extinguishing agent, which somewhat reduced the glow. An airport security camera video showed white smoke billowing from the underside of the plane.

Another firefighter reported "no visibility" because of the smoke and directed another burst from a fire extinguisher at a hot spot, but the battery seemed to rekindle. A fire captain applied the extinguisher again for about five minutes, reducing the fire. But the battery was still emitting heavy smoke and hissing loudly. Liquid was flowing down its side. Lithium ion batteries, unlike the batteries used on other planes, contain a flammable electrolyte.

A fire captain reported that at one point the battery "exploded," injuring his neck.

It took 80 minutes from when the first fire call came in until the battery was hauled out of the plane. Firefighters sprayed 740 pounds of the firefighting agent Halotron as they tried to put the battery fire out.

Investigators later found little balls of melted and cooled stainless steel, apparently from the cases of the battery's eight cells. It melts at 2,700 degrees Fahrenheit, one document noted.

The 787 is Boeing's newest and most technologically advanced plane. It relies on electric systems to a greater degree than any other airliner. And it is the first airliner to make extensive use of lithium ion batteries, which are lighter, recharge faster and can hold more energy than other types of batteries.

ANA confirmed this week that it replaced three circuit boards located in 787's electronics bay after pilots received an error message during flights in March, April and June of last year. One of those circuit boards had a "slight discoloration," said ANA spokeswoman Nao Gunji. Nothing wrong was found with the other two, but they were replaced as a precaution, she said.

Norwegian Air Shuttle, which was due to receive 787s this year, said it will lease two Airbus A340s along with flight crews if it doesn't get its 787s on time.

Boeing Co. is still building 787s, but deliveries are halted. It has not said how much the battery problems will cost.
 

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FAA approves Boeing plan for 787 battery fix; it is a “path” to resume service
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today approved the Boeing Commercial Airplane Company’s certification plan for the redesigned 787 battery system, after thoroughly reviewing Boeing’s proposed modifications and the company’s plan to demonstrate that the system will meet FAA requirements. The certification plan is the first step in the process to evaluate the 787’s return to flight and requires Boeing to conduct extensive testing and analysis to demonstrate compliance with the applicable safety regulations and special conditions.

“This comprehensive series of tests will show us whether the proposed battery improvements will work as designed,” said Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. “We won’t allow the plane to return to service unless we’re satisfied that the new design ensures the safety of the aircraft and its passengers.”

The battery system improvements include a redesign of the internal battery components to minimize initiation of a short circuit within the battery, better insulation of the cells and the addition of a new containment and venting system.
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Boeing è stata autorizzata dalla FAA ad effettuare voli di prova per certificare la soluzione al problema batteria.
 

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Dreamliner, sì con riserve della Faa
Di Gianluca Zapponini

Si profila un sì "condizioanto" quello che l'autorità per il volo statunitense (Faa) si accinge a emettere in favore di Boeing. La vicenda è ormai nota, i malfunzionamenti delle batterie che da oltre due mesi stanno tenendo inchiodati a terra tutti i velivoli 787 Dreamliner.

Adesso il costruttore rischierebbe di subire un prolungato e costoso stop per i suoi 787 sui voli a lungo raggio, a fronte di un permesso da accordare in tempi relativamente brevi per i voli 787 che avranno cambiato le batterie a bordo, ma soltanto su certe rotte, probabilmente quelle di breve e medio raggio. La Faa, insomma, starebbe valutando di mantenere il divieto sui voli transoceanici a lunga distanza, dando al contrario il via libera per le rotte più corte.

Una decisione che potrebbe suscitare qualche protesta da parte di Boeing, dal momento che proprio in questi giorni il costruttore ha ottenuto dalle autorità rassicurazioni sulla ripresa globale dei voli. Il piano di restyling delle batterie presentato all'inizio del mese ha più volte convinto i tecnici della Faa, accelerando i tempi per il disco verde.

Ieri inoltre Boeing ha effettuato un volo test con uno dei suoi 787, dotato di nuove batterie al litio, con esito soddisfacente. A questo punto, se dovessero sbloccarsi solo le rotte brevi, alcune compagnie dotate dei 787 potrebbero paventare la richiesta di rimborsi nei confronti die Boeing, in quanto impossibilitate a sfruttare le rotte transoceaniche.
 

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Dreamliner, sì con riserve della Faa
Di Gianluca Zapponini

Si profila un sì "condizioanto" quello che l'autorità per il volo statunitense (Faa) si accinge a emettere in favore di Boeing. La vicenda è ormai nota, i malfunzionamenti delle batterie che da oltre due mesi stanno tenendo inchiodati a terra tutti i velivoli 787 Dreamliner.

Adesso il costruttore rischierebbe di subire un prolungato e costoso stop per i suoi 787 sui voli a lungo raggio, a fronte di un permesso da accordare in tempi relativamente brevi per i voli 787 che avranno cambiato le batterie a bordo, ma soltanto su certe rotte, probabilmente quelle di breve e medio raggio. La Faa, insomma, starebbe valutando di mantenere il divieto sui voli transoceanici a lunga distanza, dando al contrario il via libera per le rotte più corte.

Una decisione che potrebbe suscitare qualche protesta da parte di Boeing, dal momento che proprio in questi giorni il costruttore ha ottenuto dalle autorità rassicurazioni sulla ripresa globale dei voli. Il piano di restyling delle batterie presentato all'inizio del mese ha più volte convinto i tecnici della Faa, accelerando i tempi per il disco verde.

Ieri inoltre Boeing ha effettuato un volo test con uno dei suoi 787, dotato di nuove batterie al litio, con esito soddisfacente. A questo punto, se dovessero sbloccarsi solo le rotte brevi, alcune compagnie dotate dei 787 potrebbero paventare la richiesta di rimborsi nei confronti die Boeing, in quanto impossibilitate a sfruttare le rotte transoceaniche.
Capisco che per un giornalista la cosa non sia del tutto chiara, ma suppongo che più che di rotte brevi si parli di limitazioni ETOPS (anche se in questo caso non è il rischio di engine out ma quello di incendio a dettare le limitazioni di distanza dall'apt adeguato più vicino.
 

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Capisco che per un giornalista la cosa non sia del tutto chiara, ma suppongo che più che di rotte brevi si parli di limitazioni ETOPS (anche se in questo caso non è il rischio di engine out ma quello di incendio a dettare le limitazioni di distanza dall'apt adeguato più vicino.
Praticamente niente sorvolate oceaniche, giusto?
 

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Boeing 787 Line 86 in LOT Polish Airlines’ livery takes off on battery certification flight
Courtesy, Boeing
Boeing conducted a second 787 test flight related to the certification of its fix for the aircraft’s lithium ion batteries. The company said in a statement that it was the “final certification test for the new battery system.”

The Friday flight, operated with a production aircraft designated for LOT Polish Airlines, went west from Paine Field in Everett, Wash., to the Pacific coast line, flew south along the Washington state coast and then over the Oregon coast before turning around and returning to Paine Field, according to flight tracking service FlightAware. The flight lasted just under two hours.

The worldwide Dreamliner fleet has been grounded since Jan. 16 following the failure and overheating of lithium ion batteries on two in-service 787s within a 10-day period. Boeing is endeavoring to convince FAA that its fix for the battery system should enable the lifting of the grounding.

Boeing said it has now completed “the testing required by” FAA.

“The crew reported that the certification demonstration plan was straightforward and the flight was uneventful,” Boeing said following Friday’s flight, adding, “Boeing will now gather and analyze the data and submit the required materials to the FAA. We expect to deliver all of the materials to the FAA in the coming days. Once we deliver the materials we stand ready to reply to additional requests and continue in dialog with the FAA to ensure we have met all of their expectations.”
 

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Il contenimento del potenziale incendio delle batterie in realtà non risolve molto, l'aereo è estremamente dipendente dall'energia elettrica e molta della sua ridondanza è consentita dal massiccio uso delle batterie come backup.
Se queste non garantiscono affidabilità, indipendentemente dal fatto che diano fuoco a tutto, l'aereo potrebbe comunque non riuscire a volare in caso di avaria ad altri impianti o comunque non abbastanza a lungo da poter essere usato sulle rotte per le quali è progettato.
Se lo devo usare per fare Roma-Milano mi compero un B737 che costa molto meno.
P.S.
Anche a me è esplosa una batteria Yuasa sotto al sellino dell'Aprilia, ma gli ingegneri della Boeing non ce l'hanno una moto? :)
Pure io ho cambiato diverse volte le batterie Yuasa della Vespa! :D