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Thread Boeing 787
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- Data d'inizio
La serie -8 ha molti ordini perché era la prima disponibile: sin dall'inizio il 787-9 è quello sul quale Boeing ha puntato di più.
[h=2]Airplanes provide ideal size, capabilities, operating costs[/h]SEATTLE, Sept. 18, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Air Lease Corporation (ALC) announced today that they have completed an order for 30 787-10 and three 787-9 Dreamliners. The order, valued at $9.4 billion at list prices, fulfills the commitment originally announced during the 2013 Paris Air Show in June.
"We are thrilled to be adding 787-10s and additional 787-9s to our portfolio," said ALC Chairman and CEO Steven Udvar-Hazy. "The performance characteristics of the 787-10 will build on the 787 family's success in the marketplace by providing the ideal size, capabilities and economical operating costs for medium to long-haul markets."
The new 787-10, launched in June 2013, will extend and complement the Dreamliner family, carrying 300 to 330 passengers up to 7,000 nautical miles (12,964 km), while providing 25 percent more fuel efficiency than airplanes of its size today and more than 10 percent better than anything being offered by the competition for the future. The 787-9 completed its first flight this week and is scheduled for first delivery in mid 2014.
"ALC is an ideal partner to help establish the 787-10 in the airplane leasing market," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner. "The ALC team has an excellent understanding of its airline customers' requirements and a successful track record placing Boeing airplanes that meet those needs."
This order for 787-9s and 787-10s adds to the more than 180 Boeing airplanes that ALC already has on order including Next-Generation 737-800s, 737 MAX 8s and 9s, 777-300ERs and 787-9s. The 787-10, which will deliver in 2018, has 102 orders and commitments from five customers.
"We are thrilled to be adding 787-10s and additional 787-9s to our portfolio," said ALC Chairman and CEO Steven Udvar-Hazy. "The performance characteristics of the 787-10 will build on the 787 family's success in the marketplace by providing the ideal size, capabilities and economical operating costs for medium to long-haul markets."
The new 787-10, launched in June 2013, will extend and complement the Dreamliner family, carrying 300 to 330 passengers up to 7,000 nautical miles (12,964 km), while providing 25 percent more fuel efficiency than airplanes of its size today and more than 10 percent better than anything being offered by the competition for the future. The 787-9 completed its first flight this week and is scheduled for first delivery in mid 2014.
"ALC is an ideal partner to help establish the 787-10 in the airplane leasing market," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President and CEO Ray Conner. "The ALC team has an excellent understanding of its airline customers' requirements and a successful track record placing Boeing airplanes that meet those needs."
This order for 787-9s and 787-10s adds to the more than 180 Boeing airplanes that ALC already has on order including Next-Generation 737-800s, 737 MAX 8s and 9s, 777-300ERs and 787-9s. The 787-10, which will deliver in 2018, has 102 orders and commitments from five customers.
Anche GECAS ha finalizzato l'ordine oggi: http://www.4-traders.com/GENERAL-EL...er-for-10-Boeing-787-10-Dreamliners-17281027/
SEATTLE, Sept.19, 2013 - GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS), the commercial aircraft leasing and financing arm of General Electric (NYSE: GE), and Boeing [NYSE: BA] announced today that they have completed an order for 10 787-10 Dreamliners. The order completes the commitment originally announced during the 2013 Paris Air Show in June and builds momentum in the airplane leasing market for the 787-10. The GECAS deliveries begin in 2019.
"These airplanes are an excellent addition to our broad portfolio of modern, fuel-efficient aircraft," said GECAS President and CEO Norman C.T. Liu. "This order enables us to offer our airline customers an airplane with the lowest operating costs."
The new 787-10, launched in June 2013, will extend and complement the family, carrying 300 to 330 passengers up to 7,000 nautical miles (12,964 km) and accommodating more than 90 percent of the world's twin-aisle routes. The 787-10 also will be 25 percent more fuel efficient than airplanes of its size today and more than 10 percent better than anything being offered by the competition for the future.
"As a leader in the leasing industry, GECAS's 787-10 order is a strong statement about the capabilities of this highly efficient airplane," said Ray Conner, president and CEO, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "The 787-10 will provide GECAS customers the efficiencies and passenger comforts needed to succeed in an increasingly competitive marketplace."
The 787-10 will feature the 787 family's unique interior. The interior technologies make the passenger experience more enjoyable, including large, dimmable windows; cleaner air; higher humidity; lower cabin altitude; bigger stowage bins; soothing LED lighting and a smoother ride. The 787-10 has 102 orders and commitments from five customers.
These 787-10s bring the total number of airplanes GECAS has ordered from Boeing to 598 since 1995, including 737s, 747s, 757s, 767s and 777s. To date, GECAS has taken delivery of 444 of the airplanes.
SEATTLE, Sept.19, 2013 - GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS), the commercial aircraft leasing and financing arm of General Electric (NYSE: GE), and Boeing [NYSE: BA] announced today that they have completed an order for 10 787-10 Dreamliners. The order completes the commitment originally announced during the 2013 Paris Air Show in June and builds momentum in the airplane leasing market for the 787-10. The GECAS deliveries begin in 2019.
"These airplanes are an excellent addition to our broad portfolio of modern, fuel-efficient aircraft," said GECAS President and CEO Norman C.T. Liu. "This order enables us to offer our airline customers an airplane with the lowest operating costs."
The new 787-10, launched in June 2013, will extend and complement the family, carrying 300 to 330 passengers up to 7,000 nautical miles (12,964 km) and accommodating more than 90 percent of the world's twin-aisle routes. The 787-10 also will be 25 percent more fuel efficient than airplanes of its size today and more than 10 percent better than anything being offered by the competition for the future.
"As a leader in the leasing industry, GECAS's 787-10 order is a strong statement about the capabilities of this highly efficient airplane," said Ray Conner, president and CEO, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "The 787-10 will provide GECAS customers the efficiencies and passenger comforts needed to succeed in an increasingly competitive marketplace."
The 787-10 will feature the 787 family's unique interior. The interior technologies make the passenger experience more enjoyable, including large, dimmable windows; cleaner air; higher humidity; lower cabin altitude; bigger stowage bins; soothing LED lighting and a smoother ride. The 787-10 has 102 orders and commitments from five customers.
These 787-10s bring the total number of airplanes GECAS has ordered from Boeing to 598 since 1995, including 737s, 747s, 757s, 767s and 777s. To date, GECAS has taken delivery of 444 of the airplanes.
giusto per curiosità, ma a prezzi come sono messi?ci sono sostanziose differenza tra questi aeromobili?
Difficile da sapere. I listini di Boeing e Airbus li trovi ai due link sotto:
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/prices/
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/c...-documents/?eID=dam_frontend_push&docID=14849
Si tratta, tuttavia, di indicazioni molto relative. Gli sconti sono la norma, e arrivano facilmente per un ordine copioso - stando a quanto leggo in giro - ad ammontare al 30-40% del valore nominale, con ulteriori sconti per i clienti di lancio o che si accollano esemplari di prima costruzione. Ci sono, inoltre, variabili in funzione del programma di addestramento e di manutenzione, nonché dei motori e della loro manutenzione. Anche sul finanziamento e le modalità di pagamento si giocano un bel po' di soldi. Insomma, le variabili sono molte.
Norwegian si lamenta per i problemi di affidabilità del 787.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/today...egian-air-boeing-dreamliner-problems/2854997/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/today...egian-air-boeing-dreamliner-problems/2854997/
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LOT Gives Boeing Three Months To Settle Over 787s
September 26, 2013
Polish national airline LOT has given Boeing until the end of the year to settle on compensation over faults with its 787 Dreamliners or face court action, the company's chairman was reported as telling a newspaper on Thursday.
Daily Dziennik Gazeta Prawna quoted Sebastian Mikosz as saying that if the two sides do not settle on compensation, LOT will go to court.
"We are holding negotiations because Boeing is our very important partner and we are ready to take any steps possible within the bounds of the law to defend the interests of the company," Mikosz said.
Earlier this week LOT said it had had to delay some of its 787 flights after checks showed two planes lacked fuel filters and would add the cost of temporary replacement aircraft rentals to its list of compensation claims which were already estimated at PLN100 million zlotys (USD$32 million).
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1380186288.html
September 26, 2013
Polish national airline LOT has given Boeing until the end of the year to settle on compensation over faults with its 787 Dreamliners or face court action, the company's chairman was reported as telling a newspaper on Thursday.
Daily Dziennik Gazeta Prawna quoted Sebastian Mikosz as saying that if the two sides do not settle on compensation, LOT will go to court.
"We are holding negotiations because Boeing is our very important partner and we are ready to take any steps possible within the bounds of the law to defend the interests of the company," Mikosz said.
Earlier this week LOT said it had had to delay some of its 787 flights after checks showed two planes lacked fuel filters and would add the cost of temporary replacement aircraft rentals to its list of compensation claims which were already estimated at PLN100 million zlotys (USD$32 million).
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1380186288.html
OceanDrive
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Quoto.
Sembra che anche BA stia "acquisendo esperienza" con diversi tipi di problemi, non gravi, ma comunque problemi
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5881094/
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Poi sai, in diversi post sopra qualcuno mi ha educatamente dato dell'allarmista in virtù delle sue analisi sul progetto 787 e di essere "offeso" perchè lo ignoravo nelle risposte.
Non vedo suoi post in merito da una vita, vorrei continuare il contraddittorio.
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Grande macchina, ma forse si è voluto fare il passo più lungo della gamba. E' altresì vero che se non si rischia, non si ha progresso. E' questo va dato merito a Boeing di aver "rivoluzionato" la progettazione di un aeromobile.
Mi auguro che arrivino al punto quanto prima, per poter vedere una nuova generazione di grandi progetti.
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Abbi almeno il coraggio di chiamarmi per soprannome, invece di gettare il sasso e nascondere la mano. E vorrei anche sapere dove mi sarei "offeso", per piacere.
In ogni caso, questo è un post tratto dallo stesso thread che hai linkato tu:
Condivido particolarmente la frase in grassetto.
Quello che avevo da dire sul 787 l'ho già detto e ripetuto. Il 777 ha avuto gli stessi problemi, il 747 pure, il 380 veniva chiamato A180 da Qantas (180 come i gradi della virata che faceva non appena partito). I progetti sono complicati e le compagnie che li costruiscono non sono veramente buone nel continuous improvement (il casino coi condotti degli estintori Boeing lo ha fatto anche sui 744 di prima serie e sui 777). Altro da dire non ne ho, motivo per cui non intervengo: scrivere post senza peso, per il solo gusto di scriverli, non mi interessa.
Non ho messo il tuo nick, perchè ti infastidisce di più il non essere citato, e ben si nota dalla risposta.
Come già abbiamo più volte detto ogni progetto nella sua fase di start ha avuto molti problemi, ma non come in questo caso. Ed è questo che sostengo.
A me sembra che red_one abbia detto l'ovvio: un grounding, due aerei a fuoco a terra, più un prototipo andato a fuoco nei test e diversi problemi di fumo a bordo sono qualcosa di molto superiore alla media.
Il 380 ha avuto un unico inconveniente grave: il QF32 ed ora che è uscito il report finale è venuto fuori che il problema era al 100% del motori.
Il 380 ha avuto un unico inconveniente grave: il QF32 ed ora che è uscito il report finale è venuto fuori che il problema era al 100% del motori.
E' il 787 ad essere molto superiore alla media, che è diverso.
E l'A380, a dirla tutta, ha avuto quel piccolissimo, insignificante problemino all'ala
Vogliamo parlare di ali con crepe e tutto quanto annesso? Smettiamola con questi commenti da fanboy. Ogni progetto ha avuto le sue grane, chi grandi, chi piccole, A380 compreso.