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OceanDrive
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se ricevi un considerevole danno chi non chiederebbe compensazioni economiche ?
in questo caso se pagano il colpevole è Boeing e il suo 787
dopo quello che han combinato con la messa a terra dell'intera flotta non possono certo rilassarsi
Condivido che sia una mossa per ottenere maggiori compensazioni.
Certo anche che i presupposti per lamentarsi agli indiani non mancano.
AI's Dreamliners have from induction in 2012 to February 24, 2014, suffered 44 major engineering snags that are direct manufacturing issues. There have been nine equipment failures; six landing gear troubles; seven flight control issues; four navigation snags and three windshield cracks. AI's Dreamliner fleet also had suffered 136 'minor' technical problems between their delivery since September, 2012, and November, 2013.
Certo anche che i presupposti per lamentarsi agli indiani non mancano.
AI's Dreamliners have from induction in 2012 to February 24, 2014, suffered 44 major engineering snags that are direct manufacturing issues. There have been nine equipment failures; six landing gear troubles; seven flight control issues; four navigation snags and three windshield cracks. AI's Dreamliner fleet also had suffered 136 'minor' technical problems between their delivery since September, 2012, and November, 2013.
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TW 843
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In poche parole il paese e il popolo più inaffidabili del mondo vengono a lamentarsi dell'inaffidabilità di un aereo?
Dopo questo abbiamo visto tutto.
Dopo questo abbiamo visto tutto.
OceanDrive
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Che poi fosse Jal o Ana a lamentarsi capisco, ma stiamo parlando della stessa compagnia che all'ultimo minuto ha dovuto trovare una banca per farsi dare i soldi (http://www.livemint.com/Companies/7...secures-500-million-for-5-Dreamliners.html)al fine di ritirare gli stessi aerei.
Compagnie con più aerei rispetto ad AI ordinano ancora 787 e loro fanno la voce grossa per il cavolo... allucinante....
Ecco un altro bellissimo B787 pronto ad essere consegnato!
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Kenya-Airways/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/2404783/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Kenya-Airways/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/2404783/L/
Boeing Has a New 787 Dreamliner Headache With Wing Cracks
http://www.businessweek.com/article...-new-787-dreamliner-headache-with-wing-cracks
Boeing’s (BA) 787 is the airplane program that keeps on giving—problems. The company will inspect about 40 airplanes and delay some 787 deliveries after Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (7011:JP), which makes the plane’s carbon fiber wing, discovered small cracks in newly built wings following a change in its manufacturing process, Boeing said Friday.
http://www.businessweek.com/article...-new-787-dreamliner-headache-with-wing-cracks
Boeing’s (BA) 787 is the airplane program that keeps on giving—problems. The company will inspect about 40 airplanes and delay some 787 deliveries after Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (7011:JP), which makes the plane’s carbon fiber wing, discovered small cracks in newly built wings following a change in its manufacturing process, Boeing said Friday.
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atterraggio d'emergenza di JAL nelle Hawaii
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http://actu.orange.fr/une/hawai-att...eing-787-de-japan-airlines-afp-s_2868828.html
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http://actu.orange.fr/une/hawai-att...eing-787-de-japan-airlines-afp-s_2868828.html
East End Ave
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Sembra che ad ogni problema tecnico di un 787 sia accostato un velo di dubbio sulla bonta' qualitativa dell'aeromobile. Certamente il problema delle batterie e' stato un qualcosa di grave di cui dover parlare, ma guardando ad esempio, solo negli ultimi 4 giorni, da AvHerald, cio' che accade nel mondo, che facciamo, apriamo un thread per i problemi di serie A3-19/20/21?
Indigo A320 at Kathmandu on Mar 8th 2014, smoke from brakes during roll out
British Airways A319 near London on Mar 5th 2014, cabin pressure problems
British Airways A319 at London on Mar 6th 2014, engine surge
Swiss A319 near Zurich on Mar 6th 2014, hydraulic failure
US Airways A321 at Miami on Mar 2nd 2014, hydraulic failure
Indigo A320 at Kathmandu on Mar 8th 2014, smoke from brakes during roll out
British Airways A319 near London on Mar 5th 2014, cabin pressure problems
British Airways A319 at London on Mar 6th 2014, engine surge
Swiss A319 near Zurich on Mar 6th 2014, hydraulic failure
US Airways A321 at Miami on Mar 2nd 2014, hydraulic failure
safin79
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La serie A320 ha quasi 6000 esemplari in circolazione, i B787 poco più di 120. Se il rapporto tra gli A32X in servizio e i guasti fosse uguale (cinquanta per ogni 787) probablimente si.
East End Ave
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Grazie Safin, 50 guasti per ogni 787 in circolazione? Mi sembra un numerone, ma se mi indichi la fonte saro' lieto di informarmi meglio
mi sai dire anche, allora, quanti guasti abbiano invece riguardato la serie A320 dalla nascita ad oggi? Se la media e' di 4 in 5 giorni come sopra, sarebbe preoccupante di pari grado!
inoltre mi pare si continui a dimenticare la dinamica di prime problematiche che riguardano ogni nuovo modello nei suoi primi cicli di vita, e' stato lo stesso tiro a bersaglio con il 380.
safin79
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Aspetta, concordo con quanto hai scritto sul tiro al bersaglio che sta subendo il 787 per le sue rogne, tipiche di ogni nuovo modello. Rispondevo alla domanda che hai posto sull' ipotetica apertura di un thread sui guasti dei 320. Una semplice questione numerica e nient' altro. Quattro problemi in cinque giorni su 5800 esemplari di A320, in proporzione, sono nulla rispetto ad un paio di guasti sui cento e passa 787 in una settimana. Spero di essermi spiegato meglio.Grazie Safin, 50 guasti per ogni 787 in circolazione? Mi sembra un numerone, ma se mi indichi la fonte saro' lieto di informarmi meglio
mi sai dire anche, allora, quanti guasti abbiano invece riguardato la serie A320 dalla nascita ad oggi? Se la media e' di 4 in 5 giorni come sopra, sarebbe preoccupante di pari grado!
inoltre mi pare si continui a dimenticare la dinamica di prime problematiche che riguardano ogni nuovo modello nei suoi primi cicli di vita, e' stato lo stesso tiro a bersaglio con il 380.
Boeing 787: A Complete Timeline Of The Dreamliner's Legacy Of Failure, After Cracks Discovered In Wings
http://www.ibtimes.com/boeing-787-c...failure-after-cracks-discovered-wings-1560491
Pre-Launch Problems
Sept. 5, 2007: A shortage of fasteners and incomplete software cause three-month delay to first flight.
Oct. 10, 2007: More software issues cause further three-month delay, and six-month delay to first deliveries because of international and domestic supply changes.
Jan. 16, 2008: Another three-month delay announced to first flight.
April 9, 2008: Boeing announces fourth delay. First flight is rescheduled until late 2008 and initial deliveries are put on hold until September 2009.
Nov. 4, 2008: Boeing staff go on strike and continued fastener problems mean first flight is rescheduled for mid-2009. Various airlines claim they will sue Boeing for compensation.
June 15, 2009: In front of the aviation world at the Paris Air Show, Boeing claims the first flight will take place within two weeks. A little over a week later, Boeing cancels the first flight and reschedule for late 2009.
Dec. 15, 2009: Two years late, the aircraft finally makes its maiden flight after making high-speed taxi tests three days earlier.
June 2010: Fleet-wide problems on horizontal stabilizers mean all aircraft in the test fleet are inspected and repaired.
Aug. 2, 2010: The Trent 1000 engine, one of two used by the airplane, suffers a blowout at a Rolls-Royce facility. First delivery to Japan's All Nippon Airways, a unit of ANA Holdings Inc (TYO:9202), is delayed until February 2011.
Nov. 9, 2010: During a test flight above Texas, a 787 experiences an electrical fire and is forced to make an emergency landing. All test flights are suspended until Dec. 23.
January 2011: First delivery rescheduled until September 2011 due to electrical and software problems resulting from the in-flight fire.
Aug. 26, 2011: Boeing receives approval from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and European Air Safety Agency, enabling deliveries to commence.
Sept. 25, 2011: Three years behind schedule, ANA receives the first Dreamliner.
Oct. 26, 2011: First commercial flight takes place between Tokyo-Narita and Hong Kong. Some seats fetch as much as $34,000 because of high demand from aviation enthusiasts.
Post-Launch problems
Feb. 6, 2012: Boeing a manufacturing problem in in the fuselage section of some Dreamliners.
July 23, 2012: ANA has five aircraft repaired after discovering a problem inside the Rolls-Royce engine.
July 28, 2012: A Dreamliner suffers an engine failure on the ground at the Boeing plant in Charleston, South Carolina. An investigation is announced by U.S. authorities.
Sept. 5, 2012: A hydraulic problem inside an ANA 787 causes the pilot to abort take-off. White smoke is seen billowing from the aircraft.
Oct. 4 2012: An engine problem onboard an Air Bridge Cargo 747 in Shanghai prompts General Electric (NYSE:GE) to recommend the inspection of GEnx engines, which are used on some 747 and 787 aircraft.
Dec. 5, 2012: A report of fuel leaks prompts the FAA to order the inspection of all 787s.
Jan. 7, 2013: A fire starts on an empty Japan Airlines (TYO:9201) 787 at Boston Logan International.
Jan. 8, 2013: An ANA 787 is grounded after a crack in the windshield is found. Also, a JAL flight is forced to cancel after engineers discover a fuel leak.
Jan. 9, 2013: United Continental Holdings Inc (NYSE:UAL) discovers faulty wiring near a battery on six of its aircraft. The National Transport Safety Board (NTSB) launches an investigation.
Jan. 11, 2013: Another Japan Airlines aircraft is found to have a fuel leak.
Jan. 13, 2013: Japan’s transport ministry launches an investigation after a third leak is discovered onboard a JAL aircraft.
Jan. 16, 2013: An ANA flight from Tokyo to Ube, Japan, makes an emergency landing after a burning smell is detected in the cabin and a warning light comes on. ANA and JAL ground all their 787s, and aviation authorities worldwide order the grounding of all Dreamliners pending checks. Boeing halts all deliveries.
April 5, 2013: Redesigned batteries undergo final tests. Flights resume on April 26.
June 2, 2013: A sensor pressure detects overheating on one of its 787s.
June 23, 2013: United Airlines makes an emergency landing after a problem is discovered with the braking system.
July 12, 2013: An empty Ethiopian Airlines 787 develops a fire at London's Heathrow airport, which shuts down the entire airport temporarily. The fire was caused by a faulty battery.
July 18, 2013: A maintenance message onboard a JAL flight alerts to a fuel pump error.
July 22, 2013: An electrical panel grounds a Qatar Airways 787.
July 24, 2013: An investigation is launched after an oven overheats aboard an Air India flight.
July 26, 2013: Two ANA-operated Dreamliners are found to have faulty battery wiring, the same problem that caused the fire at Heathrow.
July 27, 2013: United Airlines discovers a problem with an emergency beacon.
Aug. 27, 2013: A problem with slats (extensions of the leading edge of the wing deployed, like the trailing-edge flaps, during takeoff and landing for added lift) forces a JAL 787 to turn back to Tokyo.
Sept. 19, 2013: A United Airlines 787 develops similar flaps problems and is forced to declare emergency and land in Anchorage.
Sept. 28, 2013: Technical problems with a transponder prompt a LOT Polish Airlines flight to make an emergency landing in Iceland.
Oct. 9, 2013: Electrical problems caused failed lavatories and the failure of inflight anti-ice systems on a JAL aircraft, which returned to San Diego.
Nov. 16, 2013: A British Airways flight experiences hydraulic failure.
Jan. 14, 2014: Full Japan Airlines Dreamliner fleet grounded after more battery problems.
Jan. 19, 2014: Air India flight loses all transponders.
Jan. 19, 2014: A China Southern 787 receives multiple system messages, including flaps, nose gear landing, nose gear position, doors and brakes.
Feb. 5, 2014: All management computers fail onboard Air India flight.
March 5, 2014: Cracks discovered on wings of 787s in production.
http://www.ibtimes.com/boeing-787-c...failure-after-cracks-discovered-wings-1560491
Pre-Launch Problems
Sept. 5, 2007: A shortage of fasteners and incomplete software cause three-month delay to first flight.
Oct. 10, 2007: More software issues cause further three-month delay, and six-month delay to first deliveries because of international and domestic supply changes.
Jan. 16, 2008: Another three-month delay announced to first flight.
April 9, 2008: Boeing announces fourth delay. First flight is rescheduled until late 2008 and initial deliveries are put on hold until September 2009.
Nov. 4, 2008: Boeing staff go on strike and continued fastener problems mean first flight is rescheduled for mid-2009. Various airlines claim they will sue Boeing for compensation.
June 15, 2009: In front of the aviation world at the Paris Air Show, Boeing claims the first flight will take place within two weeks. A little over a week later, Boeing cancels the first flight and reschedule for late 2009.
Dec. 15, 2009: Two years late, the aircraft finally makes its maiden flight after making high-speed taxi tests three days earlier.
June 2010: Fleet-wide problems on horizontal stabilizers mean all aircraft in the test fleet are inspected and repaired.
Aug. 2, 2010: The Trent 1000 engine, one of two used by the airplane, suffers a blowout at a Rolls-Royce facility. First delivery to Japan's All Nippon Airways, a unit of ANA Holdings Inc (TYO:9202), is delayed until February 2011.
Nov. 9, 2010: During a test flight above Texas, a 787 experiences an electrical fire and is forced to make an emergency landing. All test flights are suspended until Dec. 23.
January 2011: First delivery rescheduled until September 2011 due to electrical and software problems resulting from the in-flight fire.
Aug. 26, 2011: Boeing receives approval from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and European Air Safety Agency, enabling deliveries to commence.
Sept. 25, 2011: Three years behind schedule, ANA receives the first Dreamliner.
Oct. 26, 2011: First commercial flight takes place between Tokyo-Narita and Hong Kong. Some seats fetch as much as $34,000 because of high demand from aviation enthusiasts.
Post-Launch problems
Feb. 6, 2012: Boeing a manufacturing problem in in the fuselage section of some Dreamliners.
July 23, 2012: ANA has five aircraft repaired after discovering a problem inside the Rolls-Royce engine.
July 28, 2012: A Dreamliner suffers an engine failure on the ground at the Boeing plant in Charleston, South Carolina. An investigation is announced by U.S. authorities.
Sept. 5, 2012: A hydraulic problem inside an ANA 787 causes the pilot to abort take-off. White smoke is seen billowing from the aircraft.
Oct. 4 2012: An engine problem onboard an Air Bridge Cargo 747 in Shanghai prompts General Electric (NYSE:GE) to recommend the inspection of GEnx engines, which are used on some 747 and 787 aircraft.
Dec. 5, 2012: A report of fuel leaks prompts the FAA to order the inspection of all 787s.
Jan. 7, 2013: A fire starts on an empty Japan Airlines (TYO:9201) 787 at Boston Logan International.
Jan. 8, 2013: An ANA 787 is grounded after a crack in the windshield is found. Also, a JAL flight is forced to cancel after engineers discover a fuel leak.
Jan. 9, 2013: United Continental Holdings Inc (NYSE:UAL) discovers faulty wiring near a battery on six of its aircraft. The National Transport Safety Board (NTSB) launches an investigation.
Jan. 11, 2013: Another Japan Airlines aircraft is found to have a fuel leak.
Jan. 13, 2013: Japan’s transport ministry launches an investigation after a third leak is discovered onboard a JAL aircraft.
Jan. 16, 2013: An ANA flight from Tokyo to Ube, Japan, makes an emergency landing after a burning smell is detected in the cabin and a warning light comes on. ANA and JAL ground all their 787s, and aviation authorities worldwide order the grounding of all Dreamliners pending checks. Boeing halts all deliveries.
April 5, 2013: Redesigned batteries undergo final tests. Flights resume on April 26.
June 2, 2013: A sensor pressure detects overheating on one of its 787s.
June 23, 2013: United Airlines makes an emergency landing after a problem is discovered with the braking system.
July 12, 2013: An empty Ethiopian Airlines 787 develops a fire at London's Heathrow airport, which shuts down the entire airport temporarily. The fire was caused by a faulty battery.
July 18, 2013: A maintenance message onboard a JAL flight alerts to a fuel pump error.
July 22, 2013: An electrical panel grounds a Qatar Airways 787.
July 24, 2013: An investigation is launched after an oven overheats aboard an Air India flight.
July 26, 2013: Two ANA-operated Dreamliners are found to have faulty battery wiring, the same problem that caused the fire at Heathrow.
July 27, 2013: United Airlines discovers a problem with an emergency beacon.
Aug. 27, 2013: A problem with slats (extensions of the leading edge of the wing deployed, like the trailing-edge flaps, during takeoff and landing for added lift) forces a JAL 787 to turn back to Tokyo.
Sept. 19, 2013: A United Airlines 787 develops similar flaps problems and is forced to declare emergency and land in Anchorage.
Sept. 28, 2013: Technical problems with a transponder prompt a LOT Polish Airlines flight to make an emergency landing in Iceland.
Oct. 9, 2013: Electrical problems caused failed lavatories and the failure of inflight anti-ice systems on a JAL aircraft, which returned to San Diego.
Nov. 16, 2013: A British Airways flight experiences hydraulic failure.
Jan. 14, 2014: Full Japan Airlines Dreamliner fleet grounded after more battery problems.
Jan. 19, 2014: Air India flight loses all transponders.
Jan. 19, 2014: A China Southern 787 receives multiple system messages, including flaps, nose gear landing, nose gear position, doors and brakes.
Feb. 5, 2014: All management computers fail onboard Air India flight.
March 5, 2014: Cracks discovered on wings of 787s in production.
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East End Ave
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Ergo? 14 pre e 31 post, 45 problemi tecnici in 7 anni; cosa si vuol dimostrare? Attendo con ansia e molta, ma molta attenzione la risposta...
TW 843
Senior Member
5800 esemplari venduti nonostante niente popò di meno che uno schianto durante un volo demo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296
E un altro rovinoso incidente a uno dei clienti di lancio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Inter_Flight_148
Di cosa stiamo parlando?