Thread Boeing 787


Luca Cordero

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5800 esemplari venduti nonostante niente popò di meno che uno schianto durante un volo demo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296
E un altro rovinoso incidente a uno dei clienti di lancio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Inter_Flight_148

Di cosa stiamo parlando?

all'epoca non c'erà il web e la lente di ingrandimento che suo malgrado provoca
il fatto che adesso ci sia non deve essere visto come un problema , altrimenti chiudiamo i siti di informazione cestiniamo tutto e giochiamo a 3sette http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tressette

stiamo parlando della boeing , di cosa deve aver paura ?
 

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all'epoca non c'erà il web e la lente di ingrandimento che suo malgrado provoca
il fatto che adesso ci sia non deve essere visto come un problema , altrimenti chiudiamo i siti di informazione cestiniamo tutto e giochiamo a 3sette http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tressette

stiamo parlando della boeing , di cosa deve aver paura ?
Il problema infatti non si pone...o non si dovrebbe porre; tantomeno, figuriamoci, la "paura"!
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paura
 

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5800 esemplari venduti nonostante niente popò di meno che uno schianto durante un volo demo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296
E un altro rovinoso incidente a uno dei clienti di lancio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Inter_Flight_148

Di cosa stiamo parlando?
Se quoti solo quello che piace a te, di niente. Nella prima parte del messaggio ho scritto, evidentemente male, che questi problemi sono normali e fisiologici per tutti i nuovi modelli. Non ne faccio una questione di questo è meglio di quello, di Airbus contro Boeing, perchè non me ne può fregar di meno. Mi sembra palese che un aero (uno a caso) con quasi 6000 esemplari abbia più problemi di uno con poco più di cento (un altro a caso). Per questo mi sono permesso di far notare che il paragone è sballato.
 

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Intanto BA sara' la prima compagnia che installera' la First sui 787-9:

BA confirms First on B787-9 Dreamliner

British Airways has confirmed that its B787-9 Dreamliner aircraft, the first of which will arrive next year, will be fitted with its next generation First cabin.

The announcement makes BA the first airline to install first class on a Dreamliner.
The carrier's current B787-8 is fitted with three cabins — Club World, World Traveller Plus and World Traveller.
But its forthcoming B787-9, which is slightly larger and can fly longer sectors, will with the addition of First have a four-class configuration.

Details of the cabin will not be revealed until the aircraft's arrival next year.
Frank van der Post, BA's managing director of brands and customer experience, said: "Suffice to say immense attention has been paid to developing our award-winning First cabin, ensuring our signature style is maintained.

"We've also concentrated on the materials and technology used, the space around the seat and the comfort of the bed."

He added: "We introduced an updated First cabin on the A380 when we launched that in September, which offers customers 30 per cent more personal space and 60 per cent more personal stowage and we’re getting great feedback.
"The new cabin on the 787-900 is a further development, which we think our customers will love. It will feel exceptionally elegant and beautifully British — exactly what our customers ask of us."

BA has 24 Dreamliners on order - eight B787-8s and 16 B787-9s. Four of the B787-8s have already been delivered.
Last year, the airline's parent company IAG confirmed that it was converting a further 18 existing B787s options into firm orders, taking the total to 42 (see news, April 2013).
To read a review of Club World on BA's B787-8 click here.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/ba-confirms-first-on-b787-9-dreamliner
 

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Intanto BA sara' la prima compagnia che installera' la First sui 787-9:

BA confirms First on B787-9 Dreamliner

British Airways has confirmed that its B787-9 Dreamliner aircraft, the first of which will arrive next year, will be fitted with its next generation First cabin.

The announcement makes BA the first airline to install first class on a Dreamliner.
The carrier's current B787-8 is fitted with three cabins — Club World, World Traveller Plus and World Traveller.
But its forthcoming B787-9, which is slightly larger and can fly longer sectors, will with the addition of First have a four-class configuration.

Details of the cabin will not be revealed until the aircraft's arrival next year.
Frank van der Post, BA's managing director of brands and customer experience, said: "Suffice to say immense attention has been paid to developing our award-winning First cabin, ensuring our signature style is maintained.

"We've also concentrated on the materials and technology used, the space around the seat and the comfort of the bed."

He added: "We introduced an updated First cabin on the A380 when we launched that in September, which offers customers 30 per cent more personal space and 60 per cent more personal stowage and we’re getting great feedback.
"The new cabin on the 787-900 is a further development, which we think our customers will love. It will feel exceptionally elegant and beautifully British — exactly what our customers ask of us."

BA has 24 Dreamliners on order - eight B787-8s and 16 B787-9s. Four of the B787-8s have already been delivered.
Last year, the airline's parent company IAG confirmed that it was converting a further 18 existing B787s options into firm orders, taking the total to 42 (see news, April 2013).
To read a review of Club World on BA's B787-8 click here.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/ba-confirms-first-on-b787-9-dreamliner
Ottimo! La conferma degli ordini e' la conferma stessa della validita' e della lungimiranza del progetto Dreamliner! :)
 

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Air India satisfied with Boeing 787

Air India, which has had a spate of incidents on its Boeing 787 fleet in the past year-and-a-half, is satisfied with the overall quality of service from the aircraft, according to chairman and managing director Rohit Nandan.

Speaking at Indian Aviation 2014, Nandan added that none of the issues have been safety issues.

Air India took delivery of its 13th Dreamliner last week. The next delivery, which is scheduled for April, is likely to be delayed due to Boeing inspections of its recently built 787s for wing cracks.

The Indian flag carrier had set up a committee to examine whether the aircraft was meeting Boeing’s performance commitments.

“The aircraft was clearly heavier than promised. We will collect performance data until the end of 2014 to see if they are in agreement with the promises Boeing made,” he said.

Nandan said that overall the airline is happy with the aircraft’s fuel efficiency. Air India 787’s dispatch reliability has averaged 98.6%, which is just a notch below its 777 fleet.

Boeing engineers are currently working on a software upgrade of Air India’s Dreamliner aircraft, which were delivered before December. Nandan said it is not unusual for new aircraft types to have initial problems, but there was no safety compromise on any issue.

Air India has 12 more aircraft on order, to be delivered by 2016.

http://atwonline.com/airframes/air-india-satisfied-boeing-787
 

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March 19, 2014
WASHINGTON - The Department of Transportation's Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today released the findings of a review team formed in January 2013 to review the Boeing 787's design, manufacture and assembly processes. The joint team of FAA and Boeing technical experts found that the aircraft was soundly designed, met its intended safety level, and that the manufacturer and the FAA had effective processes in place to identify and correct issues that emerged before and after certification. The team made seven recommendations for further improvements in Boeing processes and FAA oversight.
FAA Administrator Michael P. Huerta asked the team to review the 787's critical systems on January 11, 2013, after a lithium battery fire on a 787 in Boston. The FAA members were engineers and other technical experts who were not closely involved in the original 787 certification process.
As one indicator of the B787's intended safety level, the team compared service reliability data from the time the aircraft first started service with similar data from other previous Boeing airplane models. They determined that the B787's reliability performance in the first 16 months of service was comparable to the reliability of other new Boeing models over the same time period, including the B777.
"After the first Boeing 787 battery incident last year, I called for a comprehensive review of the entire design, manufacture and assembly process for the aircraft as well as a critical look at our own oversight," said FAA Administrator Michael P. Huerta. "The review team identified some problems with the manufacturing process and the way we oversee it, and we are moving quickly to address those problems."
Team members traveled to manufacturing facilities in the U.S. and abroad and used in-service data and safety risk management principles to conduct in-depth reviews of the B787's critical systems. They chose specific components to examine more thoroughly, including the aircraft's Variable Frequency Starter Generators, Electrical Power Panels, Fuel Line Couplings and Aft Fuselage Sections.
The team identified issues in the manufacturing and supplier quality areas and made four recommendations to Boeing to address those issues.
The team made parallel recommendations to the FAA for improved, risk-based FAA oversight to account for new business models. The FAA already is addressing the team's three FAA recommendations by revising internal policies and procedures for manufacturing oversight.

The team recommended that Boeing should:
- continue to implement and mature gated design and production processes;
- ensure suppliers are fully aware of their responsibilities;
- establish a way to ensure suppliers identify realistic program risks;
- require its suppliers to follow industry standards for personnel performing Boeing-required inspections.

The team recommended that the FAA should:
- revise its order on certificate management of manufacturers to recognize new aircraft manufacturing business models;
- revise its order on production approval procedures to more fully address complex, large-scale manufacturers with extended supply chains;
- revise other orders to ensure engineering conformity inspections for all projects are based on risk.

Based on the team's recommendations, the FAA is revising its policies, orders and procedures: to use risk tools to ensure manufacturing surveillance is conducted at the highest risk facilities; to assess risks related to emerging technologies, complex manufacturing processes and supply chain management; and to make engineering conformity determinations using standardized, risk-based criteria.
As a result of those changes, FAA manufacturing inspectors will expand their review of production and quality data for critical suppliers, including those located outside the United States. Through a Global Manufacturing Team the FAA chartered in 2011, the FAA is allocating resources to the areas of greatest risk at the point of manufacture to maintain appropriate FAA oversight. The FAA also is working on a rule to strengthen the supplier reporting process for quality issues at all tiers of the supply chain.
Source: FAA
 

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cmq se dicono che il 787 ha avuto i soliti problemi di dentizione di altri aerei Boeing dicono una gavata pazzesca perchè la flotta 777 non ha mai subito grounding, cosa che invece è successa al 787... bha sembra che siamo in italia dove tutto e lecito...

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cmq se dicono che il 787 ha avuto i soliti problemi di dentizione di altri aerei Boeing dicono una gavata pazzesca perchè la flotta 777 non ha mai subito grounding, cosa che invece è successa al 787... bha sembra che siamo in italia dove tutto e lecito...

ciauz sky3boy
Hai ragione, le cose non sono esattamente uguali, good point!
Vero pure che grounding o specifiche investigazioni e FAA/Manifacturer recommendations cambiano poco al concetto del processo di "dentizione" come da brillantemente definito! L'importante alla fine e' un aereo sicuro e sembra che il 787 lo sia! :)