Consegne e notizie sugli A380


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Bhe insomma, secondo me boeing ha provato a competere con il 380 appunto lanciando il 787, che pur non essendo del tutto a doppio ponte si avvicina a numero di pax medi trasportati (ovvio poi le configurazioni decidono)
La differenza è che boeing essendo arrivata dopo, ha capito che non c'era questa grande richiesta e quindi non ha speso molte energie per quel prodotto. C'è anche da dire che airbus ha fato un grandissimo investimento progettando una cosa del tutto nuova, mentre boeing ha adattato il nuovo prodotto da un vecchio progetto pluricollaudato.
forse intendevi 748?
 

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Bhe insomma, secondo me boeing ha provato a competere con il 380 appunto lanciando il 787, che pur non essendo del tutto a doppio ponte si avvicina a numero di pax medi trasportati (ovvio poi le configurazioni decidono)
La differenza è che boeing essendo arrivata dopo, ha capito che non c'era questa grande richiesta e quindi non ha speso molte energie per quel prodotto. C'è anche da dire che airbus ha fato un grandissimo investimento progettando una cosa del tutto nuova, mentre boeing ha adattato il nuovo prodotto da un vecchio progetto pluricollaudato.
Immagino tu intenda il 748.
 

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Serve l'abbonamento. Cosa dice l'articolo?

Tom Enders, chief executive of Airbus Group, is preparing to launch a new restructuring and cost-cutting plan next month to offset expensive delays to aircraft programmes and minimise losses on the A380 superjumbo.



The restructuring will tighten Mr Enders’ grip on the civil aerospace division which accounts for 70 per cent of the European company’s revenues. He aims to eliminate duplication of certain functions between the aircraft subsidiary and its parent, as well as with other business units.
The plan has not yet been finalised but could include job cuts across the group. Talks with unions are expected to begin soon. The plans are a closely guarded secret but some managers have been warned that the restructuring is coming. “The writing is on the wall,” said one.

Another said that the restructuring was creating uncertainty. “We don’t know how things are going to work,” he said.
The pressure is on to make significant cost savings after the aircraft maker announced €1.4bn in charges at the interim stage to cover engine problems on its A400M military transport aircraft and supplier delays that threaten to hold back deliveries of the new A350 wide-body civil jet. Further charges are expected on the A400M programme once negotiations with government customers over a new delivery schedule are agreed.
The company has also been forced to slash production of its A380 superjumbo, which has struggled to win new orders. Having just managed to reach break even at gross operating level on the production of each aircraft, the reduction in output from 27 last year to 12 by 2018 will result in new losses. Mr Enders has promised that this will not be allowed to continue for very long, but Sandy Morris, aerospace analyst at Jefferies, estimates the programme as a whole will have generated losses of €350m by 2020.
Finally, the helicopter market continues to be weak, and one of Airbus’ most popular models was grounded after a crash in April.


Mr Enders said at the group’s interim results in July that he would be seeking savings. “We will also look into the structural set-up of the group to overlap synergies — further cost reductions, particularly between group [at] a corporate level and the divisional level,” he said in a briefing with analysts.
The pressures were exacerbated this weekend when Pratt & Whitney, the engine supplier, revealed that supplier problems would force it to cut deliveries of its new geared turbofan engine, which powers Airbus’s most popular jet, the single-aisle A320neo.
Teething issues with this first in a new generation of geared engines have left Airbus with several so-called “gliders” waiting in the hangars for P&W engines. Now the US engine maker appears to have lost control of its supply chain, as it ramps up production.
Qatar Airways has already cancelled two of its A320 deliveries in the wake of the technical problems, and is threatening to shift its $6bn A320neo order to Boeing’s rival single-aisle, the 737Max.
Airbus said on Sunday that it was sticking by its target of 650 aircraft deliveries, which would be met by delivering more of the current generation of A320 and postponing delivery of the jets powered by the new Pratt & Whitney turbine. The technical problems were “largely behind us” Airbus said, while the company was in discussions with its customers and Pratt & Whitney about the latest delays.
 

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A parte i tagli alla linea 380 e i problemi del A400M, entrambi nodi che erano già venuti al pettine, credo che il problema dei 320Neo motorizzati PW sia quello più serio da affrontare a breve. Vedere le commesse passare da Airbus a Boeing, come per Qatar, sarebbe una pessima pubblicità ed un danno non da poco a Tolosa.
 

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Si si scusate cavoli!!! :)

Ormai mi avete sgammato e quindi non correggo!!!
Diciamo che Boeing ha avuto la fortuna a trovarsi impreparata di fronte all'iniziale successo (anche mediatico) del 380. Avevano provato a correre ai ripari con la versione Dash8 del caro vecchio ferro di Joe Sutter, utilizzando parte delle tecnologie ricavate dal progetto 787 (Genx in primis), cercando persino di utilizzare la parte alta del rear main deck per posizionarvi cuccette per i passeggeri premium.
Il resto è storia contemporanea, con il point to point più richiesto delle intasate rotte hub and spoke sugli intasati aeroporti (LHR soprattutto) e un solo cliente soddisfatto che fa massiccio uso del prodotto di Airbus.
 

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A parte i tagli alla linea 380 e i problemi del A400M, entrambi nodi che erano già venuti al pettine, credo che il problema dei 320Neo motorizzati PW sia quello più serio da affrontare a breve. Vedere le commesse passare da Airbus a Boeing, come per Qatar, sarebbe una pessima pubblicità ed un danno non da poco a Tolosa.
Quali commesse starebbero passando a Boeing, pero', nel mercato NB?
 

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Quali commesse starebbero passando a Boeing, pero', nel mercato NB?
Per ora solo quelle paventate da Qatar. Minacce del CEO come al suo solito. Ma ci può stare che chi non voglia incorrere in rischi di attesa, basi la decisione su cfm o su boeing.
 

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Per ora solo quelle paventate da Qatar. Minacce del CEO come al suo solito. Ma ci può stare che chi non voglia incorrere in rischi di attesa, basi la decisione su cfm o su boeing.
Beh, considerando che c'e' un'alternativa di motori per il NEO, e che lo split NEO/Max e' su 55/45%, direi che l'unico che fa il pirla al momento e' Al Baker, as usual. A volte mi domando che avrebbe fatto se si fosse trovato a essere il cliente di lancio del 744, o del 777, o del 330... Probabilmente gli sarebbe venuto un colpo.
 

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Beh, considerando che c'e' un'alternativa di motori per il NEO, e che lo split NEO/Max e' su 55/45%, direi che l'unico che fa il pirla al momento e' Al Baker, as usual. A volte mi domando che avrebbe fatto se si fosse trovato a essere il cliente di lancio del 744, o del 777, o del 330... Probabilmente gli sarebbe venuto un colpo.
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The Airbus A380 may finally have an American customer — and it's completely unexpected

There are 194 Airbus 380 superjumbos flying around the world with more than a dozen airlines.

Currently, none of those jets fly for an airline from the United States.

But that may soon change.

In an interview with Bloomberg's Christopher Jasper, Hawaiian Airlines CEO Mark Dunkerley said his airline is seriously considering the Airbus A380 double-decker jet as a possible addition to the company's fleet.

According to Bloomberg, Hawaiian is considering adding the superjumbo for routes from Honolulu to cities such as Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and Tokyo. Hawaiian currently services these cities with its fleet of Airbus A330 and Boeing 767 wide-body jets.

However, Dunkerley added that his airline is still not fully convinced by the A380's business case.

American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and United Airlines have all declined to take on the massive airliner.

The Airbus A380 — which carries a list price of $432.6 million, brand new — is the most expensive airliner in the world. However, with the first batch of secondhand A380s coming into the market over the next year or so, there will likely be tremendous opportunities for airlines to scoop up these planes for pennies on the dollar.

Last week, Singapore Airlines announced it would not extend the lease for the first of its A380s, while the struggling Malaysia Airlines has been trying to dump its fleet of superjumbos for some time.

Airbus has found it difficult in recent years to find new buyers for the jet. In January, the European aviation giant ended a yearslong sales drought for the jet when Japan's All Nippon Airways purchased three A380s. In addition, Iran Air has agreed to take on 12 of the planes as part of a massive $25 billion, 118-aircraft order.

So far, Airbus has 319 orders for the double-decker jet — 140 of which have come from Dubai-based Emirates Airlines.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/airbus-a380-american-airline-hawaiian-2016-9?r=US&IR=T
 

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Airbus to build only one A380 per month from 2018
Published on: Tuesday, October, 11, 2016, 10:44 AM

As Airbus still has not figured a way to increase the sales of A380, currently the world’s largest passenger jet, it plans to cut the construction rate to one plane per month, starting 2018. Right now, the assembly rate of the A380 superjumbo is 2.5 planes per month.

Airbus representatives stated still having confidence in the A380, as it potentially solves such issues as airport congestion and increasing air traffic rates. Despite these benefits, the sales of the double-decker plane have slumped, especially due to competition from smaller models, which airlines find easier to fill.

As of September 2016, the European manufacturer had 319 firm orders, with 195 planes delivered. The superjumbo’s largest customer is Emirates, currently operating 84 and expecting the delivery of 15 more A380s.

Aerotime
 

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Airbus to build only one A380 per month from 2018
Published on: Tuesday, October, 11, 2016, 10:44 AM

As Airbus still has not figured a way to increase the sales of A380, currently the world’s largest passenger jet, it plans to cut the construction rate to one plane per month, starting 2018. Right now, the assembly rate of the A380 superjumbo is 2.5 planes per month.

Airbus representatives stated still having confidence in the A380, as it potentially solves such issues as airport congestion and increasing air traffic rates. Despite these benefits, the sales of the double-decker plane have slumped, especially due to competition from smaller models, which airlines find easier to fill.

As of September 2016, the European manufacturer had 319 firm orders, with 195 planes delivered. The superjumbo’s largest customer is Emirates, currently operating 84 and expecting the delivery of 15 more A380s.

Aerotime
Mala tempora currunt (per l'A380)
 

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Airbus considers compacting A380 forward staircase

Airbus is developing an alternative forward staircase design for the A380 as part of plans to offer greater seating capacity on the type.

The staircase would be a more compact installation, set side-on to the aisle, more in line with the spiral design of the early Boeing 747 than the sweeping flight at the main-deck passenger entry door.
Airbus says the redesigned staircase could allow for another 20 seats in the aircraft, although it currently remains a project development study.

Speaking during a briefing in Toulouse, senior vice-president and head of market and product strategy Bob Lange said the airframer was looking to provide another 25m² of floor space compared with current deliveries.



The forward staircase is part of a series of improvements which could enable operators to fit around 80 more seats in the type.
Airbus has previously revealed studies to redesign the aft staircase and remove the sidewall stowage on the upper deck, which together could allow room for 20 extra seats.
Fitting an 11-abreast economy and nine-abreast premium-economy configuration would allow another 34 seats while a combined crew rest – which has been selected by some customers – could permit another three.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ers-compacting-a380-forward-staircase-430525/
 

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Emirates non e' contenta dei RR Trent 900:

Emirates unhappy with Rolls-Royce A380 engines

(MENAFN - Gulf Times) Emirates, the world's biggest long-haul airline, said it's unhappy with performance shortfalls afflicting 6.1bn's worth of Rolls-Royce Holdings engines ordered to power a batch of 50 Airbus Group A380 superjumbos.
Feedback on the Trent 900 powerplants indicates 'technical issues that need to be resolved before the first plane is delivered to Emirates next month, Tim Clark, the Dubai-carrier's president, said on Friday in Frankfurt.
'We have a new engine coming on and there are some issues with that at the moment, Clark said at a media briefing. 'We want the engines as promised in the contract.
Emirates last year ordered 217 Trent 900s sufficient to power the 50 four-engine A380s, plus spares after previously purchasing GP7000 powerplants from an alliance of General Electric Co and Pratt & Whitney for its first 90 superjumbos. The deal with Rolls included unspecified 'quality improvements.
Clark said Emirates will 'hopefully still take the first Rolls-Royce powered plane on December 2 as planned, adding that talks are underway with the manufacturer on resolving the performance problems and whether it should compensate the airline.
London-based Ros-Royce said in an email that it is 'working with Emirates and Airbus to meet the planned entry into service of the Trent-powered A380 within the Emirates fleet.
Clark said that officially deferring delivery of the planes isn't an option since doing so would impact the model's entire supply chain. Emirates is due to take 25 Rolls-powered A380s between now and 2019, plus 25 more from 2021 on.
While the Trent 900 had its first test flight in 2004 and has a greater spread of A380 operators than the GE-Pratt model, it had previously been excluded from the world's largest superjumbo fleet. Emirates switched supplier on the understanding that Rolls would help develop an upgraded and re-engined 'Neo version to help pare operating costs and extend the model's lifespan.
A lack of interest in buying more double-deckers among other carriers has effectively killed off that plan, and Airbus is now planning to slow production to just one plane per month in 2018 to eke out the backlog and keep its options open in case demand revives.
Emirates took delivery of its 85th A380 this month and operates almost 250 aircraft in total, all of them either superjumbos or Boeing Co 777s.
http://menafn.com/1095063888/Emirates-unhappy-with-Rolls-Royce-A380-engines
 

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Nuova pesante tegola sul 380. EK, proprio nella settimana in cui riceverà il primo esemplare motorizzato RR, annuncia che ritarderà la consegna di 6 macchine dal 2017 al 2018 e di altre 6 dal 2018 al 2019. EK non ha reso noto quanti 380 riceverà nel 2017.
Mi sembra la prima volta che il cliente prediletto di questo modello faccia un passo indietro, probabilmente per una presa di coscienza dell'eccessivo gigantismo della propria flotta a fronte di una moderata crescita.
Se non arriveranno ordini nuovi, entro un paio d'anni Airbus dovrebbe aver consegnato tutti i 380 in ordine (quelli realistici) tranne alcune decine di quelli per EK.
Sempre che quest'ultima onori tutti gli ordini, cosa sulla quale non metterei la mano sul fuoco.
Purtroppo il futuro del bestione sembra sempre più nero.

Emirates defers delivery of a dozen A380s
Middle Eastern carrier Emirates is to defer delivery of 12 Airbus A380s which had been due to arrive over the next two years, under a tripartite agreement to cut production of the type a year earlier than previously planned.

Emirates is to defer delivery of six A380s by a year, from 2017 to 2018, and push back another six from 2018 to 2019.
Airbus says the postponement follows an agreement between Emirates and Rolls-Royce, which manufactures the Trent 900 engine for the type, and a subsequent agreement between the airline and the airframer.
The manufacturer disclosed earlier this year that it would halve production of the A380 from 2018, to just 12 aircraft a year, following a review which took into account demand for the type.
Airbus says it will “adapt the A380 delivery stream” for Emirates but stresses that it will still deliver “around 12” of the aircraft per year from 2018.
It adds that further initiatives to reduce fixed costs “will be accelerated” in order to minimise the impact on A380 break-even in 2017.
Airbus had achieved production break-even on the type in 2015 but the planned rate cut has threatened to push the programme back into losses. The airframer had been looking to put in place efficiency measures to reduce the break-even threshold to 20 aircraft next year.
Emirates still had 55 A380s due for delivery at the end of November this year. The airline says it is preparing to take its first Trent 900-powered A380, and that the delivery is "scheduled for this week".

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/emirates-defers-delivery-of-a-dozen-a380s-432761/


Emirates on verge of taking first Trent A380s

Emirates is set to take delivery of at least three Rolls-Royce Trent-powered Airbus A380s before the end of this year.

The Dubai-based carrier has agreed to fit Trent 900 engines on up to 50 of the type, having previously opted for the Engine Alliance GP7200.
But introduction of its first Trent-powered A380 has been delayed over technical matters, and a revised handover date of 16 December passed with the aircraft remaining undelivered.
A spokesperson for Emirates says, however, that the airline has “come to an agreement” with Rolls-Royce regarding the technical issue relating to the Trent engines.
“We will receive delivery of our first Rolls-Royce-powered A380s this week and, before the end of this year, we will receive delivery of two more,” the spokesperson adds.
But Emirates is not elaborating on the delivery situation in 2017, following Airbus’s disclosure that the carrier will defer six A380s due next year, and another six due in 2018. The airline is still set, however, to receive a number of A380s as well as Boeing 777s in 2017.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/emirates-on-verge-of-taking-first-trent-a380s-432763/
 

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Ufficializzata la conversione dei due ultimi ordini di AF con 3 commesse di A350.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...mally-swaps-remaining-a380s-for-a350s-433822/

Ora il backlog attuale è di 110 ordini così suddivisi:

Air Accord 3
Ana 3
Amedeo 20
Emirates 50
Etihad 2 (+5 opzioni)
Qantas 8
Qatar 3 (+2 opzioni)
Singapore 5 (+ una opzione)
Virgin Atlantic 6
Undisclosed (ex HK Airline) 10

dei quali imho sono ragionevolmente sicuri quelli di ANA, EY, QR e SQ (13 macchine), mentre ho qualche dubbio sul fatto che EK onorerà tutti i 50 ordini residui.

Sulle altre commesse, non scommetterei un euro.