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Norwegian Air CEO To Meet Boeing Over 787 Problems

Norwegian Air Shuttle's chief executive Bjoern Kjos plans to meet Boeing management in the United States next week to discuss problems with its 787 Dreamliner aircraft, Norwegian media reported on Sunday.

Norwegian Air, Europe's third-biggest budget airline after Ryanair and easyJet, launched long-haul operations last year, based on the 787's lower operating costs.

But during the autumn its first two Dreamliners broke down more than half a dozen times, forcing it to lease back-up planes at short notice or cancel flights.

Its newest, the third, 787 was grounded in the United States before Christmas, and the company said spare parts had to be ordered for the replacement.

"As far as I know the plane is not back in service yet, we have a wet leased 777 today between Oslo and New York," Anne-Sissel Skaanvik, a spokeswoman for Norwegian told Reuters news agency.

Norwegian Air might see whether it needs to replace its maintenance service provider, daily VG quoted Kjos as saying in an interview.
Skaanvik could not confirm the quote, but said Kjos, who was already in the United States, was planning a number of meetings there next week.

The 787 was intended as a game changer for the aviation industry as its lightweight body and new engines cut fuel consumption by 20 percent.

But it has been beset by problems, including battery fires that grounded the model for months last year and forced Boeing to come up with a new battery design.

The first two Dreamliners operated by Norwegian Air have previously suffered hydraulic and electrical faults.

Boeing promised to fix problems quicker after its executives met Norwegian in Oslo in September.
After that, Norwegian ordered two more Dreamliners for delivery in 2016.
(Reuters)
 

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Norwegian Air might see whether it needs to replace its maintenance service provider, daily VG quoted Kjos as saying in an interview.
Questo passaggio è da capire. Norwegian era stata la prima (e forse tuttora unica - non ricordo) linea aerea a optare per il pacchetto Gold Care fornito direttamente da Boeing per il 787. Mi pare di capire che il programma Gold Care sia in realtà un network gestito da Boeing ma col lavoro dato a terzi (FL Technics, Monarch Aircraft Engineering, Nayak, ecc.): da capire chi sia, quindi, il "maintenance service provider" sotto scrutinio (a parte la stessa Boeing).
Non credo che Norwegian abbia un comparto manutentivo importante: la manutenzione della flotta 737, per esempio, dovrebbe essere appaltata interamente a LH Technik (d'inverno a Budapest si vedono un sacco di 737 biancorossi fermi a BUD nell'hangar di LH Technik).
 

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Giusto. Norwegian non ha manutenzione in house, e quindi si affida a Boeing. Il programma Gold Care è, come dici tu, nuovo e Norwegian fin'ora è l'unico cliente. Il problema che hanno avuto fin'ora è che Boeing ha voluto giocare al risparmio, affidando il contratto di Gold Care a un fornitore abbastanza poco costoso, Nayak, che a sua volta ha usato una serie di sub-fornitori. In più Boeing non aveva previsto di creare magazzini per pezzi di ricambio in giro per il mondo. Il problema, però, è che questi piccoli provider spesso non sono parte del circuito IATP e quindi non possono chiedere in prestito i pezzi ad altre compagnie basate in un certo aeroporto. Il risultato è che i 788 Norwegian si bloccano per problemi "normali", soprattutto idraulici, che succedono spesso.

Ora le cose dovrebbero cambiare: Boeing sta creando una serie di depositi di pezzi di ricambio, affittando spazio nei magazzini di svariate compagnie aeree in tutto il mondo, e sta scegliendo un partner un pochino più esperto col 787 in America.
 

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Giusto. Norwegian non ha manutenzione in house, e quindi si affida a Boeing. Il programma Gold Care è, come dici tu, nuovo e Norwegian fin'ora è l'unico cliente. Il problema che hanno avuto fin'ora è che Boeing ha voluto giocare al risparmio, affidando il contratto di Gold Care a un fornitore abbastanza poco costoso, Nayak, che a sua volta ha usato una serie di sub-fornitori. In più Boeing non aveva previsto di creare magazzini per pezzi di ricambio in giro per il mondo. Il problema, però, è che questi piccoli provider spesso non sono parte del circuito IATP e quindi non possono chiedere in prestito i pezzi ad altre compagnie basate in un certo aeroporto. Il risultato è che i 788 Norwegian si bloccano per problemi "normali", soprattutto idraulici, che succedono spesso.

Ora le cose dovrebbero cambiare: Boeing sta creando una serie di depositi di pezzi di ricambio, affittando spazio nei magazzini di svariate compagnie aeree in tutto il mondo, e sta scegliendo un partner un pochino più esperto col 787 in America.
Purtroppo questa è una cosa che capita spesso in diversi settori, non solo in questo.
 

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Giusto. Norwegian non ha manutenzione in house, e quindi si affida a Boeing. Il programma Gold Care è, come dici tu, nuovo e Norwegian fin'ora è l'unico cliente. Il problema che hanno avuto fin'ora è che Boeing ha voluto giocare al risparmio, affidando il contratto di Gold Care a un fornitore abbastanza poco costoso, Nayak, che a sua volta ha usato una serie di sub-fornitori. In più Boeing non aveva previsto di creare magazzini per pezzi di ricambio in giro per il mondo. Il problema, però, è che questi piccoli provider spesso non sono parte del circuito IATP e quindi non possono chiedere in prestito i pezzi ad altre compagnie basate in un certo aeroporto. Il risultato è che i 788 Norwegian si bloccano per problemi "normali", soprattutto idraulici, che succedono spesso.

Ora le cose dovrebbero cambiare: Boeing sta creando una serie di depositi di pezzi di ricambio, affittando spazio nei magazzini di svariate compagnie aeree in tutto il mondo, e sta scegliendo un partner un pochino più esperto col 787 in America.
Interessante chiarimento, grazie.
 

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WHERE DOES THE DREAMLINER FLY? JANUARY 2014 NETWORK UPDATE
The data is all supplied by OAG Aviation using its OAG Schedules Analyser tool.


Aeromexico (AM)

Mexico City (MEX) – Cancun (CUN)
Mexico City (MEX) – New York (JFK)
Mexico City (MEX) – Paris (CDG)
Mexico City (MEX) – Tijuana (TIJ) – Tokyo (NRT)

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Air India (AI)

New Delhi (DEL) – Amritsar (ATQ)
New Delhi (DEL) – Birmingham (BHX)
New Delhi (DEL) – Bangalore (BLR)
New Delhi (DEL) – Dubai (DXB)
New Delhi (DEL) – Frankfurt (FRA)
New Delhi (DEL) – Hong Kong (HKG) – Osaka (KIX)
New Delhi (DEL) – Hong Kong (HKG) – Seoul (ICN)
New Delhi (DEL) – Kolkata (CCU)
New Delhi (DEL) – London (LHR)
New Delhi (DEL) – Paris (CDG)
New Delhi (DEL) – Melbourne (MEL)
New Delhi (DEL) – Mumbai (BOM)
New Delhi (DEL) – Shanghai (PVG)
New Delhi (DEL) – Sydney (SYD)
New Delhi (DEL) – Tokyo (NRT)
Melbourne (MEL) – Sydney (SYD)

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All Nippon Airways (NH)

Kagoshima (KOJ) – Osaka (ITM)
Tokyo (HND) – Akita (AXT)
Tokyo (HND) – Beijing (PEK)
Tokyo (HND) – Frankfurt (FRA)
Tokyo (HND) – Taipei (TSA)
Tokyo (HND) – Fukuoka (FUK)
Tokyo (HND) – Hiroshima (HIJ)
Tokyo (HND) – Kagoshima (KOJ)
Tokyo (HND) – Komatsu (KMQ)
Tokyo (HND) – Kumamoto (KMJ)
Tokyo (HND) – Matsuyama (MYJ)
Tokyo (HND) – Miyazaki (KMI)
Tokyo (HND) – Okinawa Naha (OKA)
Tokyo (HND) – Osaka (ITM)
Tokyo (HND) – Singapore (SIN)
Tokyo (HND) – Toyama (TOY)
Tokyo (HND) – Yamaguchi (UBJ)
Tokyo (HND) – Takamatsu (TAK)
Tokyo (HND) – Okayama (OKJ)
Tokyo (HND) – Sapporo (CTS)
Tokyo (NRT) – Beijing (PEK)
Tokyo (NRT) – Munich (MUC)
Tokyo (NRT) – San Jose (SJC)
Tokyo (NRT) – Seattle (SEA)
Tokyo (NRT) – Shanghai (PVG)
Tokyo (NRT) – Singapore (SIN)

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British Airways (BA)

London (LHR) – Newark (EWR)
London (LHR) – Toronto (YYZ)

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China Southern Airlines (CZ)

Guangzhou (CAN) – Auckland (AKL)
Guangzhou (CAN) – Beijing (PEK)
Guangzhou (CAN) – Chengdu (CTU)
Guangzhou (CAN) – London (LHR)
Guangzhou (CAN) – Shanghai (SHA)

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Ethiopian Airlines (ET)

Addis Ababa (ADD) – Beijing (PEK)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Dubai (DXB)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Frankfurt (FRA)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Guangzhou (CAN)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Johannesburg (JNB)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Lagos (LOS)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Lome (LFW) – Sao Paulo (GRU) – Rio de Janeiro (GIG)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – London (LHR)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Lusaka (LUN) – Harare (HRE)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Mumbai (BOM)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Nairobi (NBO)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Paris (CDG) – Brussels (BRU)
Addis Ababa (ADD) – Rome (FCO) – Toronto (YYZ)

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Finnair (AY) - operated by LOT Polish Airlines (LO)

Helsinki (HEL) – New York (JFK)

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Hainan Airlines (HU)

Beijing (PEK) – Chicago (ORD)
Beijing (PEK) – Dalian (DLC)
Beijing (PEK) – Seattle (SEA)
Beijing (PEK) – Xi'an (XIY)

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Japan Airlines (JL)

Tokyo (HND) – Beijing (PEK)
Tokyo (HND) – San Francisco (SFO)
Tokyo (HND) – Singapore (SIN)
Tokyo (NRT) – Bangkok (BKK)
Tokyo (NRT) – Beijing (PEK)
Tokyo (NRT) – Boston (BOS)
Tokyo (NRT) – Moscow (DME)
Tokyo (NRT) – Helsinki (HEL)
Tokyo (NRT) – San Diego (SAN)

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Jetairfly (TB)

Brussels (BRU) – Cancun (CUN)
Brussels (BRU) – Punta Cana (PUJ) – Montego Bay (MBJ)
Brussels (BRU) – Santo Domingo (SDQ) – Punta Cana (PUJ)
Brussels (BRU) – Varadero (VRA)

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Jetstar Airways (JQ)

Melbourne (MEL) – Denpasar (DPS)
Sydney (SYD) – Denpasar (DPS)

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LAN Argentina (4M)

Buenos Aires Aeroparque J Newbery (AEP) – Comodoro Rivadavia (CRD)

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LAN Airlines (LA)

Santiago (SCL) – Madrid (MAD) – Frankfurt (FRA)
Santiago (SCL) – New York (JFK)

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LOT Polish Airlines (LO)

Warsaw (WAW) – Beijing (PEK)
Warsaw (WAW) – Chicago (ORD)
Warsaw (WAW) – New York (JFK)
Warsaw (WAW) – Tbilisi (TBS)
Warsaw (WAW) – Toronto (YYZ)

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Norwegian (DY)

Copenhagen (CPH) - Ft Lauderdale (FLL)
Oslo (OSL) – Bangkok (BKK)
Oslo (OSL) – Ft Lauderdale (FLL)
Oslo (OSL) – New York (JFK)
Stockholm (ARN) – Bangkok (BKK)
Stockholm (ARN) - Ft Lauderdale (FLL)
Stockholm (ARN) – New York (JFK)

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Qatar Airways (QR)

Doha (DOH) – Bangalore (BLR)
Doha (DOH) – Brussels (BRU)
Doha (DOH) – Cairo (CAI)
Doha (DOH) – Copenhagen (CPH)
Doha (DOH) – Dubai (DXB)
Doha (DOH) – Frankfurt (FRA)
Doha (DOH) – Jeddah (JED)
Doha (DOH) – London (LHR)
Doha (DOH) – Munich (MUC)
Doha (DOH) – New Delhi (DEL)
Doha (DOH) – Oslo (OSL)
Doha (DOH) – Riyadh (RUH)
Doha (DOH) – Stockholm (ARN)
Doha (DOH) – Zurich (ZRH)

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Royal Brunei Airlines (BI)

Bandar Seri Begawan (BWN) – Dubai (DXB) – London (LHR)
Bandar Seri Begawan (BWN) – Singapore (SIN)

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Thomson Airways (TOM)

London (LGW) – Barbados (BGI)
London (LGW) – Cancun (CUN)
London (LGW) – Goa (GOI)
London (LGW) – Holguin (HOG)
London (LGW) – Phuket (HKT)
London (LGW) – Male (MLE)
London (LGW) – Mombasa (MBA)
London (LGW) – Montego Bay (MBJ)
London (LGW) – Puerto Plata (POP)
London (LGW) – Punta Cana (PUJ)
Manchester (MAN) – Barbados (BGI)
Manchester (MAN) – Cancun (CUN)
Manchester (MAN) – Goa (GOI)

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TUIfly Nordic (6B) - operated byThomson Airways (TOM)

Copenhagen (CPH) – Puerto Plata (POP)
Gothenburg (GOT) – Phuket (HKT)
Stockholm (ARN) – Helsinki (HEL) – Mombasa (MBA)
Stockholm (ARN) – Montego Bay (MBJ)
Stockholm (ARN) – Phuket (HKT)
Stockholm (ARN) – Puerto Plata (POP)

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United Airlines (UA)

Denver (DEN) – Tokyo (NRT)
Houston (IAH) – Denver (DEN)
Houston (IAH) – Lagos (LOS)
Houston (IAH) – London (LHR)
Houston (IAH) – Los Angeles (LAX)
Los Angeles (LAX) – Shanghai (PVG)
Los Angeles (LAX) – Tokyo (NRT)
 

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Grazie per il riassunto asterix. In Italia al momento lo vediamo solo su Roma con ET.

Interessante anche il LAN Argentina (4M) AEP-CRD, non ero a conoscenza di questa rotta operata con 787.
 

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Ho viaggiato anch'io il mese scorso sul 787 (ANA, FRA-HND, Economy). Concordo con l'opinione di cui sopra, per il passeggero non c'è una differenza significativa a livello di confort rispetto ad aeromobili similari della stessa età.
 

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JAL grounds Dreamliner after battery problem


Japan Airlines has grounded a Boeing 787 Dreamliner after engineers spotted smoke or gases believed to have come from the aircraft's main battery.


The fault was spotted yesterday during routine maintenance in Tokyo and comes a year after a battery pack problem caused all Dreamliners to be grounded for three months in 2013 (see news, January 2013).


A spokesman for JAL said its engineers first spotted smoke before warning lights flashed to signal a battery fault.


No passengers were onboard the B787 at the time and Boeing said it is looking into the incident.


The Dreamliner was hit by a long list of technical problems last year.


Among numeous issues, in July Boeing asked airlines worldwide to inspect an emergency locator transmitter (ELT) following a fire on a parked Dreamliner (see news, July 29).


That move came two weeks after a UK regulator cited a battery within the beacon as the source of the blaze on an Ethiopian Airlines B787 which closed both runways at Heathrow for 90 minutes (see news, July 12).


The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) also issued an airworthiness directive instructing airlines to take out the ELT from Dreamliners or carry out an inspection of the devices.


Boeing then advised rival manufacturers to take similar precautions.


Also in July, All Nippon Airways reported that it had found damaged battery wiring on two ELTs during safety checks and United Airlines said it had located a pinched wire on one if its B787s.


The ELT battery is not the same faulty battery pack which caused all Dreamliners to be grounded from January to April.


jal.com
 

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Etihad Airways CEO: Boeing 787 will be a ‘great aircraft’ despite grounding by Japan Airlines




Etihad Airways president and CEO described the grounding of the Boeing 787 aircraft by Japan Airlines as “one of those challenges” with new aircraft, however stated it will be a “great aircraft” (Arabianbusiness.com, 18-Jan-2014). Mr Hogan said: “If you look through the history of aviation - that's why [you] don't get in the front of the queue [as] all the types have their issues: the A380 had the wiring issue, the A340 had the rudder issue and that was grounded for months, so that's one of those challenges”. Mr Hogan noted, “We're going to be the largest operator of the 787 product. We take our first 787 at the end of this year - I'm looking forward to bringing the aircraft on board”.
 

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Passengers alert plane's cabin crew to fuel leaking from wing

Jan. 21, 2014 at 11:17 AM
OSLO, Norway, Jan. 21 (UPI) -- A Norwegian Airlines flight from Bangkok was aborted before takeoff after passengers said they spotted fuel pouring out of a valve on the plane's wing.
The new Boeing 787 Dreamliner was on the runway preparing to fly to Oslo when the leak was spotted, TheLocal.no reported Tuesday.

"We started to point out the window, so that the stewardess became aware of it, and she looked out of the window and picked up the phone," passenger Ann Kristin Balto said. "I don't know who she called but the plane stopped immediately afterwards."

Charlotte Holmbergh Jacobsson, a spokeswoman for Norwegian Airlines, confirmed the leak. She said the passengers had not been in danger because the pilot would have detected the leak from the plane's instruments.

The airline paid for hotel rooms for the passengers. They left on the next available flight and arrived in Oslo 19 hours later.
 

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787 Transponder Failure Causes Air India Flight Turnaround

January 22, 2014
A Boeing 787 Dreamliner operated by Air India this week returned to London due to a communications problem, but has since been operational, the Indian state-run carrier said on Wednesday.
The aircraft's transponder failed during the flight on Sunday from London to New Delhi, Air India spokesman G.P. Rao said, adding there was no immediate safety concern. The plane was back in operation on Monday after engineers fixed the transponder, he said.
Air India, which is the only Indian carrier to operate the 787, has seen problems including a cockpit window crack and a body panel falling off during a flight last year. Boeing is upgrading the software in some of Air India's 787s to improve their performance.
The US plane maker referred questions to Air India on the latest incident.
"We are addressing each and every issue with Boeing," Air India's Rao said.
Air India, which has 11 787s in its fleet, is scheduled to take delivery of three more by March. The carrier has a total of 27 787s on order.

(Reuters)
 

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Incident: China Southern B788 near Guangzhou on Jan 19th 2014, multiple system messages
By Simon Hradecky, created Tuesday, Jan 21st 2014 00:00Z, last updated Tuesday, Jan 21st 2014 00:01Z

A China Southern Boeing 787-800, registration B-2737 performing flight CZ-304 (dep Jan 18th) from London Heathrow,EN (UK) to Guangzhou (China), was descending towards Ghuangzhou when the crew received multiple system failure messages, amongst them flaps, nose gear steering, nose gear position, doors and brakes. The crew worked the relevant checklists while emergency services responded in full turn out, the aircraft landed safely, the major alert was cancelled afterwards.

The airline confirmed the multiple system error messages and stated they were caused by a computer failure.
 

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Il sito b787register.co.uk indica ora come destinati a Rwandair due esemplari del 2011 in storage da allora in attesa di retrofit (attualmente in livrea RAM):

http://b787register.co.uk/airframe/airframe_new.php?ln=17
http://b787register.co.uk/airframe/airframe_new.php?ln=19

Ambedue questi aerei fanno parte dei terrible teens, le macchine con numero seriale dal 10 al 19 destinate inizialmente ad ANA, LAN e RAM ma rifiutate da quei vettori per i problemi di peso e per le profonde modifiche necessarie per adeguarle agli standard di produzione e certificazione: con questa vendita (se confermata), Boeing avrebbe piazzato tutti i terrible teens: 2 a Rwandair, 5 a Lion Air, 3 a Transaero (il quarto per Transaero è l'esemplare 22, anche quello inizialmente destinato ad ANA).
Ma nel mentre LION sembra che ci stia ripensando...da Flightglobal
 

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Lion Air to cancel order for five Boeing 787s

Indonesian budget airline Lion Air said on Monday it planned to cancel an order for five Boeing Co (BA.N) 787 aircraft and replace them with smaller 737 models.

The carrier said it needed widebody aircraft to accommodate more than the roughly 250-passenger capacity of the 787-8, and will place a new order for aircraft in 2015.

The 737s will join a fleet that already includes a large number of that model. The widebody aircraft it intends to order next year will be used on domestic, high-frequency routes, the company said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014...AM20140127?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews